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Chesp123

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Hi,

I am considering buying 2 lengths of C24 wood from my local builders merchants. This is 18cm wide, 480cm long and 7cm deep. The wife loves chunky furniture and I have an interest in learning how to make some relatively easy pieces such as side tables myself. Afterall it's £26 delivered and the ready made stuff on Amazon would set me back £180.

Anyway, I'm pretty confident I can cut these logs to size, but I am wondering if there is a nice easy way to join them without using nuts and bolts.

I can't upload the pic I have, but it's an 80cm piece on top, 2 legs (53cm) and 2 shelves (56cm).

Cheers
 
Yep: make some joints. Seriously. With just a mortise & tenon and half lap, you can make almost any piece of furniture. Without them, you're struggling to make anything at all.
 
Thanks Mike, I am a real novice and don't have a workshop or any proper tools. I think I might go old school and find some old looking nuts and bolts to give it an authentic look.

But will definitely look into proper tools for the future. Thanks for the advice and sorry for the stupid question :)
 
Well, you're going to need some tools, unless you've got teeth like a beaver and are after a particularly unfussy aesthetic. :lol:

Is the wood sawn (rough) or planed (smooth)? You're going to need some marking equipment (square, tape, pencil), a saw, some chisels, a drill and bits, a hammer, a mallet, and an oilstone (for sharpening). You'll need some screwdrivers, and possibly a plane. These are big pieces of wood, so you'll need some saw horses to work on.

So there's a hundred or two to add to the cost of your timber, but that's an endlessly useful collection of kit which will serve you for life.
 
Very similar Steliz, my account can't post links but the ones I've found have 2 shelves inside the legs and are taller
 
MikeG.":2geuqesr said:
Well, you're going to need some tools, unless you've got teeth like a beaver and are after a particularly unfussy aesthetic. :lol:

Is the wood sawn (rough) or planed (smooth)? You're going to need some marking equipment (square, tape, pencil), a saw, some chisels, a drill and bits, a hammer, a mallet, and an oilstone (for sharpening). You'll need some screwdrivers, and possibly a plane. These are big pieces of wood, so you'll need some saw horses to work on.

So there's a hundred or two to add to the cost of your timber, but that's an endlessly useful collection of kit which will serve you for life.

I have access to all of those apart from the oilstone and saw horses. Pretty confident I can get hold of saw horses and they will prove to be a worthwhile investment. It's Plained wood as far as I remember, looks to be routed on the edges as it has a curved effect. Obviously will need to tidy up the sawn edges when it's been cut down.

I have a feeling the dining table will make a good substitute for the time being, the wife will be pleased! Love your comment about beaver teeth by the way :lol:
 
Planed timber with rounded corners is known as "regularised timber". It is quite popular for construction work but not universally. So if you want this style, specify it as regularised.
 
Myfordman":1p6ueddu said:
Planed timber with rounded corners is known as "regularised timber". It is quite popular for construction work but not universally. So if you want this style, specify it as regularised.

Well, it's actually CLS (Canadian Lumber Standard). Regularised doesn't have to mean planed. CLS is all regularised. Regularised isn't all CLS.
 
It's being sold by my local builders merchants, they market it as C24 (think thus relates to the quality of the wood) so I imagine it would be regularised, or not?
 
I’m pretty sure C24 relates to its grading for structural strength. In my experience, neither this or CLS mean that the timber is straight, not warped and uniform in size.

We didn’t use much of this but we would always sight by eye before acceptance and thickness ourselves so that we could ensure all the pieces were the same depth/thickness - however, I’m sure there are applications such as studs where that isn’t required.

The style of furniture that you are looking at is deceptively simple in that the cuts have to be very square and any bow, particularly, in the tops, removed if you want something that looks good. However, that is perfectly possible with careful measuring, basic planing and good cutting. Take your time and I’m sure you can achieve what you are looking for. There will be the satisfaction of having made it yourself but whether it will work out cheaper...
 
MartinCox":f36ypnst said:
I’m pretty sure C24 relates to its grading for structural strength. In my experience, neither this or CLS mean that the timber is straight, not warped and uniform in size.

We didn’t use much of this but we would always sight by eye before acceptance and thickness ourselves so that we could ensure all the pieces were the same depth/thickness - however, I’m sure there are applications such as studs where that isn’t required.

The style of furniture that you are looking at is deceptively simple in that the cuts have to be very square and any bow, particularly, in the tops, removed if you want something that looks good. However, that is perfectly possible with careful measuring, basic planing and good cutting. Take your time and I’m sure you can achieve what you are looking for. There will be the satisfaction of having made it yourself but whether it will work out cheaper...

Thanks for the advice, getting the cuts bang on straight is one of my worries and obviously getting the right stain for the look. But yes I will definitely be taking my time on it.
 
Don't think your staining on spruce/pine will look anything like a commercially done job - it won't. Invariably it'll look a mess. Try the stain/dye on some wood before you make the furniture - once the furniture is stained it's virtually impossible to back track.
 
phil.p":16t8q5ti said:
Don't think your staining on spruce/pine will look anything like a commercially done job - it won't. Invariably it'll look a mess. Try the stain/dye on some wood before you make the furniture - once the furniture is stained it's virtually impossible to back track.

Good call, any ideas how the commercially produced furniture looks so good? I assume they use something over the top of the stain to give it a nice finish?
 
Someone with more knowledge of commercial finishes will answer that for you. I know from the times I've needed to alter the colour of softwood dramatically it's paid to dye the wood and use a coloured finish rather than dyeing and using a clear finish or using a coloured finish alone.
 
Chesp123":fc6bfdw8 said:
Good call, any ideas how the commercially produced furniture looks so good? I assume they use something over the top of the stain to give it a nice finish?
As a rule they don't stain, they use coloured overcoats. You see the evidence of this on a lot of cheap 'brown furniture' where there's wear-through at a corner or a scratch that reveals the very pale wood underneath.

That isif they've avoided the godawful blotching in pine. You do sometimes see commercial stuff with bad blotching, although it's often somewhat masked by the similar-colour varnish or lacquer on top.
 
ED65":39brfqb3 said:
As a rule they don't stain, they use coloured overcoats. You see the evidence of this on a lot of cheap 'brown furniture' where there's wear-through at a corner or a scratch that reveals the very pale wood underneath.
That isif they've avoided the godawful blotching in pine. You do sometimes see commercial stuff with bad blotching, although it's often somewhat masked by the similar-colour varnish or lacquer on top.

Using a dye and coloured top coat helps the wear through not to show so badly as well as helping cover the blotching.
 
I fear you may be in for a frustrating and ultimately disappointing time, if you try to do this using whole pieces of softwood timber from builders' merchants.

Most softwood that's easily available has many defects that make it hard to use for more than the most casual construction. Specifically, it's machined to get the most out of each tree, largely irrespective of grain direction, knots, shakes and other defects. My grandfather, who was a timber merchant in the 1920s, called most of it "dunnage", meaning it was only really suitable for chocking-up cargo in the holds of merchant ships.

Nowadays we use more of the tree than we ever used to. It's possibly good husbandry, and it doesn't matter (much) in most construction framing applications, but does when you want to make furniture out of it. What's more, the "easing"of the arrises (sharp edges) of the pieces wastes a lot of usable material when you are joining stuff properly. You need rectangular cross-sections, not rounded corners, or you'll wast a lot of material (or have to design round the problem). After all, it's only done to stop builders getting splinters!

I suspect a large amount of mass-produced "chunky" furniture is made up of laminated pieces, or of staves glued together (like "solid" kitchen worktops). This is because mass production needs consistency, and the timings in the supply chain are too tight to allow timber to stand around for years seasoning/acclimatizing before it's used. You can also use manky stuff that you'd have to discard if it was a single bit of material - you hide the flaws. It's a similar idea to the way knots are removed from the faces of plywood and replaced with elliptical patches.

So my suggestion would be to use man-made materials to start off with, for example moisture-resistant MDF sheet ("Medite" for example). Either laminate it for thick tops (or put a lipping round it), or make hollow legs. And then a painted finish looks wonderful and hides the material used. And if it's hollow or lipped it doesn't have to be horribly heavy, and filler hides all sorts of mistakes!

Worst case, if you want wood grain, get sheets with veneer already applied. With a tracksaw, a pegboard workbench ("MFT"in Festool-speak, but there are much cheaper equivalents), and some clamps (which you'd need anyway), you can make some nice stuff.

Have a look at Peter Millard's YouTube channel for good examples of creative use of MDF. Using a Domino would be brill, but you can get by with dowels or biscuits, as the main task is alignment for good glue-ups.

Find a supplier that accepts a cutting list to do the big cuts in the boards - it makes everything much easier to handle and means you don't need a big work or storage area. The trick, as with everything is accurate measuring and cutting, but man-made materials give you a head start.

I think you might find this a lot less frustrating than working on something for days/weeks, only to have it warp or split once you've finished it. And finally, it's actually harder to use edge tools on softwood than hardwoods such as beech and oak (in my experience). This is because the fibres are more springy, so tools need to be razor-sharp (literally), otherwise you tear and split stuff you're trying to plane or chisel. You always have to sharpen a lot, but you probably actually need better sharpness to work softwood, if you want a good finish - it doesn't sand very nicely, nor accept stains or finishes (as Phill commented above) either compared to hardwoods.

I speak from bitter experience.

Anyway, whatever material you choose, start simple and allow about 3x-4x the time you expect (or a book of plans says). Also expect to waste a lot of material too - you will make mistakes, and if using softwood, you'll be dodging the faults in the stock to get pieces you can actually use.

Not trying to depress you, but successes are encouraging. Having to persevere through gritted teeth when you're starting out isn't most people's idea of fun...

I'll now put on my armour and flame-proof suit and wait for the barrage to start...

E.
 
I think that's all very sound advice.
Another advantage of following Eric's suggestions is that you are more likely to have pieces of furniture which are individual to you, and don't immediately look like "last year's fashion" within a few months.
 
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