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i believe that we are all missing the point, magazines are in it to make a profit, as indeed are all those who make things out of wood to sell.

by its very nature a magazine is a finite resource, and is always about
three to six months behind its audience, because of lead times.

as readers improve their skills and knowledge base they will want other things, but somehow in england we expect our magazines to keep pace with us, even though we are evolving more quickly every job we do improves us, but as the questions on the forum show we all need to learn
on every job we do.

although magazines need to offer aspirational jobs, they should also
help out the learners, but it is the middle ground that they often miss out
on, and that is where most of us are.

in my motorcycling days, we could tell the seasons by the articles in
motorcycle mechanics, winter safety etc. for woodworkers that is more
difficult, but remember a summer magazine may well have been
produced in february or march, and the article written the previous
august, so we must be slightly more subjective.

the internet is both a blessing and a curse, not least because many of us
do not like alf manage to remember where everything we asked is
placed.

i still buy gww as the first of the british mags, without looking too hard, since every month i find at least one thing useful. as for trad woodworking
what is happening there?????? :oops: :oops: the other three i try to flick through first before handing over my pennies.

i am lucky i can find most of the american mags, and whilst i take much of
it with a pinch of salt, many include a single article, or if i am lucky more
than one which makes the cost worth it.

at the end however after a longish period of transition, i am finally going back to actually making. now i know how (i hope) to take and load photos
within a month or so i might actually post some real work, not my dreams.

from my experience in other areas, the biggest problem for ALL magazines in all areas except maybe celebrity kissy kissy ones,
are getting enough writers to provide articles. can i suggest that
many of the contributors here have produced the items, and
i believe that GWW has the ability to edit, so maybe instead
of just posting here, you should write for the mags too.

so in conclusion, i think nick was brave to re-enter the fray, and
obviously wants to move the magazine forward, but we can help, and
should maybe do so.

paul :wink:
 
The trouble with threads like this is that you will get very few people posting who actually like the subject of discussion.
Instead you tend to get people posting who feel strongly about something and this tends to be a negative point of view along the lines of 'Why isn't there more...' or 'Where have all the .... gone?' or 'I really don't like...'.
This is why I tend to think that although all very valid point, they are not representative of the whole.

Just the fact that circulation is improving is indicative that the majority of people like it.

Myself, I like it, a lot. I actually like more how to bits and less projects. I'm still very much at the learning stage, and indeed always will be and so like to see how to do things rather than what you can do with them.

I don't subscribe but only because I pop up the town via the market on a Tuesday lunchtime and then have a wander through WHSmiths. However, I won't be able to do this in the near future and intend to take one out soon.
 
I'd love to be able to direct our skills towards all woodworkers, of all abilities and levels, but that's not commercially possible

I would have thought that in a marketing situation picking the 'one size fits all' approach is not viable IMO. As a committed reader of F&C they have clearly pitched at the professional end of the spectrum. I do accept, as mentioned in an earlier post that machinery tests tend to be at the more expensive end, though to be fair, allot less expensive stuff has been tested, for example the Kity 419 planer and two others for comparison. Sure, some articles are difficult and tricky to understand but it requires the reader to actually sit down and read the stuff to understand it, its not, in my view, a 'flick through over a quick bite to eat' sort of mag. Even so, I still don't understand how Robert Ingham does some of his stuff...unbelievable. It takes me 2 or 3 hours min to read it.
What F&C does, and always has done, is to inspire me to try produce work of the highest quality that I am capable of, and just as an afterthought it is now sold in over 50 countries worldwide!
 
Gill":3kdukbfb said:
A As time passed I outgrew it and moved on to other, more specialised reading.Gill

May be this is also true of me - I moved on to ShopNotes and 'Norm' who has cost me loads of money investing in more tools that I have to have and are under utilised.
I subscribe to ShopNotes and was fortunate to be given a number of back issues that are a constant reference point and ideal to get ideas from.
 
oh steve now i am being traduced as well, :oops: :lol:

i guess what you are trying to prove is that sub editors
can have a real impact on your words!!!!!!!!!!!!

honest alf i did mean it :lol: :lol: :lol:

all the best
paul :wink:
 
I can't remember what it was, but I seem to recall a certain female Prime Minister being quoted, verbatim, in a newspaper, but she was livid because the journalist but a comma where she hadn't and not put one where she had, and it completely changed the meaning of the sentence.

Hyphens, too. Extra marital sex is not the same as extra-marital sex, now, is it?

But now I'm getting silly.

Cheers
Steve
 
Steve Maskery":uu0rd19j said:
Extra marital sex is not the same as extra-marital sex, now, is it?

oh I don't know, it's all the same to me.
</ducks>
 
some people are obviously getting too much!!!!! :oops: :lol: :lol: :lol:

waterhead, i will try to revert to my "eats, shoots and leaves" mentality
but it is so difficult to re-act as quickly as one wants, and think too :lol:

anyway this has had a good run for our money.

paul :wink:
 
I wondered whether it was just me that was missing the projects that used to adorn it's pages?

Last time this subject was thrashed to death I said my piece about the pitiful state of UK mags, no doubt contributing to the wrath of the "faithful" in so doing. At the time I admitted that it'd been some time since I'd last bought any of them, being more than satisfied with the content of FWW, however, I took up Nick's challenge at the time and subbed for a years worth of...lord knows what; the content was in a state of flux at the time.

First shocker was seeing my visa card hit for the fees twice (that didn't account for 2 different prices however)... probs with their billing dept too..?? Time would tell...

12 months on I've reached the end of the subscription. Personally I've always felt that a rag that constantly needs to give away freebies is trying to apologize or compensate for content that it believes is deficient; if the mag's worth reading, it'll sell itself without the free stuff as FWW has demonstrated over the years...

Being totally honest, I was impressed with one article... Philly's exploration of Sam Maloof's chair was a project that's seen me flicking through its pages repeatedly (Nicely done Philly btw)... However, one solitary article over a 12 month period is disappointing by anyone's standards; I've given up trying to make sense of why Nick feels a piece on his preference of pencils or half chewed biro's is of any interest is beyond me...

At the time of taking out the subscription I braced myself for disappointment... With hinesight, maybe I shoulda followed my gut instinct.. I still believe that there's a market out there for a well written UK mag that puts more emphasis on the piece produced than the tools used to make it.. I honestly believe that such a magazine would have no probs marketing itself in an international marketplace because as this forum demonstrates, there's a hunger out there for well written pieces about projects that promote highly skilled and detailed work...

Nuff said...
 
Steve Maskery":1g0f16x9 said:
engineer one":1g0f16x9 said:
many of us do not like alf

Oh I don't know, she's not that bad...

:lol:

Coat.
[-( I shall remove the link to this forum from my web page forthwith - I don't want my readers seeing such negatives about me. :roll: :lol:

The internet connection being as reliable as soap bubbles meant I was prevented from responding to this thread again, which is probably just as well, but it did crystalize a few things. Some of the exc-, er, reasons lead to some questions that I'd be asking myself, if I was GWW editor:

Limited funds and resources - so why should readers pay £3.whatever a pop for this under-funded, thrown-together-in-a-hurry product? Is this really a legitimate excuse for a commercial enterprise? Perhaps 13 issues a year is a bit much...?

The UK doesn't have as big a market as the US - then commercially wouldn't it make sense to produce something that could potentially tap into that bigger market? The Woodworker used to do it by being the woodworking authority; F&C have done it mainly with the Charlesworth effect.

Why are people enthusing about US mags and not us? They only do 7 issues a year, they're more expensive, they don't cover UK tools and practices. It's not fair, so why?

We're appealling to beginners; they've just outgrown it - oh look, a huge un-tapped market of potential readers who've developed the habit of buying a mag but are now left in the lurch. How can we part them from their mag money?

We're appealling to beginners; they've just outgrown it (2) - why can some mags manage to make apparently basic, beginner articles interesting for the more advanced reader and apparently we aren't?

We're appealling to beginners; they've just outgrown it (3) - virtually all our British competitors are also aimed at beginners, are we at risk of just blending in with the crowd? That makes exclusivity of projects and contributors even more vital.

The internet is a more immediate source of information, often covered in depth with many pictures, but text is not its forte - do we try and compete in the same way and go for a soundbite approach, or do we deliberately try to offer what the internet doesn't or can't?

Well it's what I'd be asking myself anyway. But if free gifts are the answer, what do I know?

Cheers, Alf
 
OK, here's another 2p worth.

Most magazines, woodworking and other, are obsessed with equipment tests and reviews (bit like woodworkers, really :wink: ).

That's fine if that's what people want. But if you are going to do a test or review, please do it properly. And please stop doing these "Giant tests" of 15 routers, biscuit jointers, bandsaws or whatever. Each one gets one paragraph, a list of pros and cons and actually tells the reader nothing.

At the risk of embarrassing Alf, the reason her numerous tool reviews on this forum receive such praise is that she has the ability not only to write in a delightful, humorous style but in a way that her pieces are approaching the status of standard reference works.

At Woodex I bought a Veritas cabinet scraper. Before I went I didn't bother looking up articles about cabinet scrapers in magazines. Instead I looked up Alf's review. It told me the sort of things I wanted to know. Not just information about the Veritas scraper, but about scrapers in general.

Just another example of what I actually do rather than just an opinion.

Hope this helps

Paul
 
Newbie_Neil":308ky4zc said:
Hi all

The New Good Woodworking seems to have settled down now.

I wondered whether it was just me that was missing the projects that used to adorn it's pages?

Cheers
Neil

Absolutely and for good reasons.
I discussed writing up a couple of projects with Nick a few months back and could not get him to tell me anything about prices nor word counts etc. His take seemed to be write the article, submit it and then let's talk about money etc.

I am not about to put together an article on spec with no idea what renumeration I will receive and whether it will be posted in the mag at all. I have better things to do with my time.
 
Paul Chapman":1723h4ln said:
OK, here's another 2p worth.

Most magazines, woodworking and other, are obsessed with equipment tests and reviews (bit like woodworkers, really :wink: ).

That's fine if that's what people want.

I absolutley agree Paul, and loads of tool tests and reviews is most definitely NOT what I want in a magazine - and one of the reasons why I no longer buy GWW (unless Philly is on the cover of course :wink: )
 
Tony":2v74jijd said:
...and one of the reasons why I no longer buy GWW (unless Philly is on the cover of course :wink: )
So you're still getting 13 issues a year then, Tony? :lol:

Cheers,
Neil
 
I am a relative newby to this forum although not to woodwork but I will still put my Ha'Penny in anyway. A magazine be it good or bad is mainly dictated by it's readers and so the content should follow this. If those readers don't send in there own contributions what will the mag print? Anything it can get hold of that it thinks may be of interest to it's readers. I must admit I don't subscribe to any magazines as such preferring to thumb the shelves to see which has an article of interest in it. I agree they are expensive things to buy nowadays but so is everything in this fast paced world! I instead use most of my hard earned on tools like most of us on here I should imagine. I DO like some of the tool reviews in the mag but I wouold rather see articles written by woodworkers for woodworkers be they old or new. If I had the time and the effort I would contribute as many articles as I could muster to help the novice woodworker as I enjoy passing on my skill to anyone who is keen or will listen. (Some may say a boring bas****) :) I have been woodworking for over twenty years now and have read at one time or another most of the mags on the shelf but choose not to subscribe as I like many articles in many mags. I don't tend to read much of the American ones as the wood they use is mostly hardwood of a type that I personally can't get hold of easily here or is out of my budget. I agree they do have some wonderful tools and information over there side of the pond but it is a difficult job to get it over here so a pointless excercise. Ah now the internet that is a different kettle of fish and a vast fountain of knowledge for many, many woodwrkers or indeed would be woodworkers. I would be the first to admit it has helped me on more than one occasion but it is killing magazines. On the other hand it has helped too as it is much easier to send articles and pictures to them! In the end it all boils down to the reader and his ability to provide the information for the magazine to investigate and publish. If you enjoy reading articles about making fine furniture then write one! If you enjoy reading articles on building your own boat then write one! I am sure you will not be alone for long and there wil be feedback from it just like there is on this forum. I am sure there are many woodoworkers out there who read these articles and think, what a load of ***%£$ I could have told him that, but will not put pen to paper so to speak and write something better! I know myself I have read articles and thought, well my son could have done that better but then ralise that the magazine is trying to cater for the needs of all. When I first started woodworking I needed the advice and guidance of something for my tool purchases and methods of using them and being no internet turned to the magazines. The tool reviews no matter how small may be invaluble to the novice starting out in this new found hobby as will be the article on the candle holder that someone made over the weekend for his auntie Maud! Just because I and many of the readers on here are a little long in the tooth for these projects or have most of the tools that are being reviewed or indeed could never afford the all singing all dancing tasble saw that Norm uses on his show doesn't mean we should decry the article, instead we should embrase it as a lesson that we once many many moons ago were there at the threshold of an exciting new hobby and one day may even have enouugh coffers to afford a really great workshop or be up there among the professionals who can demand high prices for there works of art! I am not biased to any magazine just in case you were wondering and am not adverse to using the internet or this forum. I have gleaned many now tricks and tips from here and have been impressed by the knowledge of it's members. I buy a mag to enlighten me and to learn not to mention the advertisements too. It is not an easy job being an editor and trying to please everyone all of the time and meet deadlines and hope you have the correct format for the coming months readers. Yes woodworkers come and go but mags are here to stay and try what they can to help all woodworkers new and old. Sorry this has been so long guys but I felt I just had to add my input for what it is worth, thanks.
 
Are there any UK woodworking magazines that any member likes?

I personally like GWW and The Woodworker. Yes they both have some faults, but not enough to stop buying them. I also believe that Nick will get there in the end.

Cheers

Mike
 

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