Elu collets

[dickm]

Does anyone know for sure which of the deWalt routers is actually the re-badged Elu MOF97? It looks from the deWalt site as though it became the 621, but a collet supposed to fit that doesn't work. The collets for the older MOF96 do seem OK. It needs a 1/4" one, as the MOF97 acquired at the weekend has a 6mm collet.
(Have posted about this in the Wanted forum, but suspect not many folk look at that)

 

[RobinBHM]

The mof 96 is equivalent to the dewalt 615 and the same collet fits both. -dont if it fits yours though

I thought the mof 96 = dewalt 615 and mof177e = dewalt 625e Im not sure that any other dewalt routers are based on the original elu range

 

[Paul200]

Hi Dickm

MOF96 and OF97 share some parts with the DW615, including collets and collet nut. I was going to direct you to the Black & Decker help site - B&D own the Elu and DeWalt brands - (www.2helpu.com) but they don't seem to list Elu brand tools any more. Luckily Trend also had close links with Elu and DeWalt and I found this - http://www.trend-uk.com/en/UK/product/DE6951/

Hope this helps. It may be worth asking around local Trend/DeWalt dealers (DE6951 is the DeWalt code also) to see if they can order one for you. Saves postage charges, looks after your local dealer and you may just be able to squeeze a 10% discount from them! (That's what I used to give off anyway).

Good luck.

Paul

 

[Lons]

Might be worth giving Folkstone Fixings a ring, they list the 8mm but I think they carry the other sizes and are very helpful or at least that's my experience. http://www.ffx.co.uk/

Or these
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Collet-for-EL ... asN5yF8j2Q
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Trend-DE6951- ... Swo0JWMOq1

The Trend 1/4" router was originally a copy / re-badged Elu from memory and certainly the early DeWalt was the same. Parts were common with some of the Elu models to keep costs down as is normal practice and if the collet you bought should fit but doesn't it might be the retaining collar at fault.
Bob

 

[chipmunk]

I hope I'm not teaching my Grandmother but have you tried Powertool spares?
http://www.powertoolspares.com/buy-parts/#/index.php/browse/elu/routers-spares-and-accessories/

HTH
Jon

 

[dickm]

I hope I'm not teaching my Grandmother but have you tried Powertool spares?
http://www.powertoolspares.com/buy-parts/#/index.php/browse/elu/routers-spares-and-accessories/

Not grannies and eggs at all! Had tried Miles Tools, and they do supply the collet plus nut, but I was hoping to cheapskate and just get the collet, as the original nut is fine and the combined unit would cost nearly 20 times what I paid for the router . Hoped to commission SiL in the US to get me the appropriate one to bring over at Christmas, but can't brief him without the right part number.
What is annoying is that several of the sites give line drawings of the collets, with dimension labels, but no actual dimensions. The one I bought http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8MM-ROUTE...936530?hash=item4aeeada212:g:uckAAOSwT6pVzOIZ claims to fit the 613, which seemed to be equivalent to the OF97, but it's too short. (If anyone wants it, happy to let it go for the cost of posting)
The DE6951 code is given by FFX as suitable for the 613, but they don't list it as fitting the OF97. Whereas their DE6952 (which is the 8mm one) they list as suitable for the de Walt 613 and OF97.

My little brain hurts!

 

[Paul200]

Did you follow my Trend link Dick? They say the DE6951 fits the OF97.

 

[dickm]

Yes, followed that link, but then went via FFX, at which point confusion set in!
The Trend price is the highest of all!!

 

[Shrubby]

The Elu 97 became the dewalt 621 . In Europe the collets were 6 mm,1/4" and 8mm
The American market had 1/2" so a different armature must have been fitted
Matt

 

[Paul200]

Yes, followed that link, but then went via FFX, at which point confusion set in!
The Trend price is the highest of all!!

No confusion - it's the right part number - you just need to find the right price! I used to sell these things for a living and I totally understand the confusion. I only linked Trend because they categorically say that it's the right part number for your machine.

I've just checked the DW615 parts diagram and the Collet and Nut were available separately. You may be able to find a collet on it's own but you need to bear in mind that the collet nut will only be suitable for the collet inside it. They are engineered as a pair. You can't use a 6mm collet nut with a 1/4" (6.35mm) collet because even if it would fit into the nut, in order to thread it onto the end of the shaft you will compress the collet to 6mm and your 1/4" bits won't fit. Even supposing that you did get away with it - I wouldn't fancy being on the end of it - not at circa 25,000rpm with only a couple of threads engaged.

If this sounds a bit heavy I apologise - it's not intended. I just want you to be safe and I do know what I'm talking about honest!

The only other option is to buy 6mm shank router bits

EDIT - Now I'm doubting myself! I'm no longer in business and don't have the same access to drawings and part numbers as I had. I may well be wrong about the collet and nut being a mated pair but I can't find anything to prove me wrong. See - it's just as bloomin confusing even with loads of experience (and no memory!). Just being honest before someone comes along with a massive agenda/chip and starts slagging me off!

Your best bet would be to phone and talk to a well-established small independent outlet. These guys know what they're talking about and have access to the drawings and current part numbers.

 

[Lons]

Yes, followed that link, but then went via FFX, at which point confusion set in!
The Trend price is the highest of all!!

No confusion - it's the right part number - you just need to find the right price! I used to sell these things for a living and I totally understand the confusion. I only linked Trend because they categorically say that it's the right part number for your machine.

I've just checked the DW615 parts diagram and the Collet and Nut were available separately. You may be able to find a collet on it's own but you need to bear in mind that the collet nut will only be suitable for the collet inside it. They are engineered as a pair. You can't use a 6mm collet nut with a 1/4" (6.35mm) collet because even if it would fit into the nut, in order to thread it onto the end of the shaft you will compress the collet to 6mm and your 1/4" bits won't fit. Even supposing that you did get away with it - I wouldn't fancy being on the end of it - not at circa 25,000rpm with only a couple of threads engaged.

If this sounds a bit heavy I apologise - it's not intended. I just want you to be safe and I do know what I'm talking about honest!

The only other option is to buy 6mm shank router bits

EDIT - Now I'm doubting myself! I'm no longer in business and don't have the same access to drawings and part numbers as I had. I may well be wrong about the collet and nut being a mated pair but I can't find anything to prove me wrong. See - it's just as bloomin confusing even with loads of experience (and no memory!). Just being honest before someone comes along with a massive agenda/chip and starts slagging me off!

Your best bet would be to phone and talk to a well-established small independent outlet. These guys know what they're talking about and have access to the drawings and current part numbers.

Hi Paul
I don't remember them being a matched pair tbh.

I used to sell Elu routers in the eighties, when they were Swiss made and still have a MOF 96e myself. I think they came supplied with 6 and 8mm collets but only one nut and I'm sure I have a 1/4" collet as well, we sold all the collets seperately and not with the nut. That said, the nut can wear which is why I suggested a replacement.
It was a very long time ago and my memories can't necessarily be relied on however. :lol: It is also possible that later machines were different though I can't see why they would be.
Bob

 

[mseries]

my mid 90s MOF95E came with a 1/4" collet+nut only

 

[Lons]

my mid 90s MOF95E came with a 1/4" collet+nut only

Well, so much for my memory

You're absolutely right mseries, I've just dug out the original handbook for mine and it states that it was supplied with a 1/4" collet as standard so I must have got my 6mm and 8mm seperately. The manual also says these were available as options and though it describes how to change collets it suggests you use the same nut.

Bob

 

[dickm]

Well, I'm certainly confused at a higher level now!!
One definite - the MOF 96 1/4" collet and nut fit the 97 and work fine (having swapped over the assembly from one of my 96s).

There seem to be four or five deWalt models using what looks exactly like the bodywork of the MOF97, with numbers ranging from 613 to 622K. Some of them seem to 1/4" collets only, some suggest 1/4" and 1/2" and there are also 6mm, 8mm and 12mm collets available separately which claim to be suitable for all or some of the range.
Will try talking to FFX - they seem to be the most relevant.
For no really good reason, I'm dubious of Trend - their stuff always seems over-priced for the quality. (There speaks a real tool snob!)

 

[Paul200]

Well, I'm certainly confused at a higher level now!!

:lol: You're confused!! :lol: :roll:

 

[Myfordman]

For no really good reason, I'm dubious of Trend - their stuff always seems over-priced for the quality. (There speaks a real tool snob!)

I tend to agree. I was given a couple of dead Trend routers T10 and T11 a few years back and bought bearings from a bearing factor and bespoke parts from a DW stockist for the repairs - far cheape, but the trend website is sometimes to only place to find out things from and that costs them money for the upkeep.

 

[Paul200]

Dick - look what I found for you! They do still have Elu machine info - they just hide it well!

http://www.2helpu.com/DEWALT/IS/Product ... alogID=313

Scroll down towards the bottom and there's a whole raft of OF97 variants. If you then click on the 'Parts List' (under 'Documents' top left of screen) it gives you a list of all the parts still available with part numbers. You can't go wrong with a proper part number allocated to a specific machine. Forget about what the DeWalt version of OF97 is - the B&D part numbers cover the whole range of Elu and DeWalt machines and, where shared across those two brands, will be the same number.

Apologies for my earlier misinformation - I tend to type as I think and it's only when I re-read what I've typed I realise it's total carp! I'm damn sure one manufacturer produces collet and nut sets as a pair though :? :roll:

Cheers

Paul

 

[dickm]

Paul
Sorry not to have responded sooner - somehow missed your post. But many, many thanks for that which should put son-in-law on the right trail.
Interestingly, the DE6xx91 number which is clearly correct for Europe appears not to be available in the US. All his web searches bar one took him to UK sites. The odd one was a 'bay link to a used one for $50. Not a bargain!
Looks like Abbey tools in Salop may be best source.
Thanks again.

Update - followed the link from the appropriate part number, and it's listed as discontinued, so that explains why he couldn't find it.