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sue denim

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Hello.

My neighbour has just felled several acacia trees. I asked if I could have some and he is happy for me to help myself.

Question. I know acacia is hard as HBD so should I consider turning it green then microwaving it or letting it dry first?.

Thinking of a large open natural edge bowl and a ginger jar form.

Does acacia have a tendency to split when drying?

If I am to store some for later I will wax the ends to prevent cracking.

Any acacia experts ?

Thanks in advance
 
I had some and turned it green. It warped quite a bit but didn't split. Can't say if that's is the norm as I have only turned it the once but it's a beautiful wood and worth having a go with. Perhaps part turn then dry?

Pete
 
How infuriating - I just posted a lengthy response to Sue and it just vanished into thin air.

Try again.

Sue,

I inherited a large amount of Acacia/Robinia/Black Locust (Robinia Pseudoacacia) from my local council who felled two trees, I got about five tons out of it, and using my bandsaw cut most of it into four inch blanks.
Firstly is what you have a young tree or an old tree? Acacia grows fast for the first thirty years of its life and then slows tremendously. The young wood will probably move significantly although I have no experience of young wood. The quicker it grows and bends in life the quicker it will do likewise once felled rings true. If it is an older tree then the wood is much more stable. The bark, and I note you mention a potential natural edge form, can, on older trees be very soft, and bulky and has a tendency to fly off in large lumps if old and wet, be warned.

If its old you might have large lumps, and you mention a large form in your post so I suspect it might be an old tree. So large lumps will need reducing and you must cut the tree about 3/4 of an inch eith side of the pith, minimum. This will leave you two half logs and the 1 and a 1/2 inch pith section. Cut that out so in theory you have a 1 and a halg square blank with the pith in it and put that on the fire. Acacia is exceptionally good for wood burners as it has a higher calorific value than oak! You will now have two small width quarter sawn sections either side of the pith. These will not move at all, they are very stable. You will get 1% compression across the grain and about 3% along the grain and as it will all be even, it will hardly move at all. The half loge will need the top of the semi circle removing and the sides. You will get around 6-12% shrinkage around the perimeter and if you can interupt this by chopping the top and sides off then you will stop the tendency for the blank to cup and split along its length. If you want to turn it as a ntural edge bowl with the top of the log intact do it sooner rather than later.

Paint the ends if you wish but if you are keeping the wood stored in an area where the tempreature differential between day and night, and importantly the speed with which the tempreature changes is slow, then the wood, providing that it has been cut properly will not split.

The wood turned green is fantastic, the smell is not enjoyed by all though. I think it smells of a freshly cut nettle bed on a wet morning, others hate it, but if you can turn Zebrano then, aromatically, this is a breeze!
It sands and finishes superbly, try wet and dry, the water content in the wood gives a really smooth finish and the shimmer that you can get when sanding down to 1500 is beautiful. On drier pieces I have used wet and dry lubricated with a fine coat of blo which gives an amazing smooth surface.

I am not a great fan of microwaves other than a coffee reheat and would advise against the use of them for any wood! Others think otherwise, but I dry wood for a hobby and a living and the slower the wood is dried the better. You can drive off the water content of wood by heating but stabilising the stresses within is a different matter that takes time. I do not think that you will derive any benefit from putting Acacia in a microwave unless it is a cup holder with a cup of Douwe Egberts in it but cue the responses on this one. It is a strong wood and moves little.

I'll try and dig out a picture of a 14 inch natural edge vase that I turned from a piece of very fresh wood and you can see the differential shrinkage on the bark/sapwood and the heartwood and the way that despite being fresh wood the vase has kept its shape.

I've dried loads successfully and turned it, probably less successfully, but it was all good fun!
 
One thing I forgot to mention was the tendency to cut the logs through the pith - dont. - cut either side, it is a false economy to cut through the pith!
 
nev":3mj8c8ar said:
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nev":3mj8c8ar said:
I know nothing of its drying properties but it makes a great gift for Masons :wink: :wink:

Why?

Pete

Symbolic significance to the Brotherhood , see here http://www.masonicworld.com/education/f ... acacia.htm
:)

The irony of course is that the tree we commonly call Acacia here, is not an Acacia tree at all but Robinia pseudoacacia, aka, Robinia, Black Locust, but yes the masons still like it and I have received a commission to make pens out of it before.
 
Here's the picture of the vase, not the 14 inch one as I'm told the wife sold it! This on is ten inches high and about nine across, its about 6mm thick and hasn't shifted an inch, you can see how the edge has shifted disproportionately though
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Neil Farrer":3jih4gqe said:
One thing I forgot to mention was the tendency to cut the logs through the pith - dont. - cut either side, it is a false economy to cut through the pith!

I had to look this up, and found this great informative website, that I hope others will find helpful

http://www.syzygywoodworks.com/news/201 ... wl-blanks/

I got some logs for my stove recently and some of the wood appears to be silver birch, some beech, and a very tight wavy grained wood, which I think would be a criminal waste of good wood to burn it.
So I am thinking of trying to turn some of it as I have access to a lathe, until a lathe comes my way at the right price.

You guys are very knowledgeable, and I am always learning something new, cheers guys !!
 
Acacia is a lovely wood to turn. I managed to acquire some from a local wood yard a couple of years ago and it makes lovely boxes and vases. A friend in my local turning club made a superb pierced hollow form from a piece of it. It was fairly dry when I got it, and yes it is rather hard, but nothing like as bad as old oak or jarrah! It finishes really nicely and doesn't seem to blunt tools very quickly.
 
Made some robinia doors to match bought acacia ones in our last kitchen. Turned some odds and ends from the offcuts, and some of them darkened when exposed to light from the initial yellow colour to a beautiful milk-chocolate brown. It finishes nicely, and once it's darkened, looks positively edible :) .
 
Any one turning green Acacia ?? I only turn green Acacia & have done for 10 years, I turn bowls up to 400mm with out any problem.After turning I advise my customers to keep it away from direct sunlight and away from radiators, I haven't had a complant in 10 years on average I turn 6 - 10 items a week.
 
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