Corneel
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I have bought a couple of very nice old hollows and rounds from a planemaker Higgs. Is there information available from him?
Planemaker Higgs
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There is a standard book for questions like this - "British Planemakers from 1700" by WL Goodman.
I have the second edition, which lists 3 planemakers called Higgs:
James Higgs was at 8 Little College Street, Westminster from 1780-1817, then at 6 King Street in 1791.
His planes would be marked HIGGS inside a zigzag border, with a mark 0.65" long. He was recorded as an apprentice to another London planemaker, John Sym, in 1772.
His son was Edward Higgs, at 237 Upper Thames Street from 1821-27. His planes had a smaller mark, with a zigzag border, only 0.52" long.
There was also a William Higgs at 4 Union Street, Lambeth from 1826-28. His mark, HIGGS would have had no border.
There may be more information in the third edition, but I don't have that.
So your planes are probably early, and possibly very early. Any pictures?
I have the second edition, which lists 3 planemakers called Higgs:
James Higgs was at 8 Little College Street, Westminster from 1780-1817, then at 6 King Street in 1791.
His planes would be marked HIGGS inside a zigzag border, with a mark 0.65" long. He was recorded as an apprentice to another London planemaker, John Sym, in 1772.
His son was Edward Higgs, at 237 Upper Thames Street from 1821-27. His planes had a smaller mark, with a zigzag border, only 0.52" long.
There was also a William Higgs at 4 Union Street, Lambeth from 1826-28. His mark, HIGGS would have had no border.
There may be more information in the third edition, but I don't have that.
So your planes are probably early, and possibly very early. Any pictures?
jimi43
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AH! Andy...was just about to go into the "inside workshop" library and take out the "British Planemakers from 1700" by WL Goodman book....but you beat me to it man! :wink:
Probably just as well as ALFIE the "asbo pup" has been watching me slyly for the moment that I try to go in the "secret room" in order to see if there's anything in there to knaw....yes...Alfie...there's plenty! :mrgreen:
I too would be interested to know which Higgs it is.....this sounds very interesting indeed...and a matching pair too!
Jim
Probably just as well as ALFIE the "asbo pup" has been watching me slyly for the moment that I try to go in the "secret room" in order to see if there's anything in there to knaw....yes...Alfie...there's plenty! :mrgreen:
I too would be interested to know which Higgs it is.....this sounds very interesting indeed...and a matching pair too!
Jim
Corneel
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That book is definitely going on my list. I am very interested in the history of planes.
This weekend I'll make some pictures. The planes are very nice, look almost unused. They have a very steep pitch of 65 degrees, so maybe they were only pulled from the shelf for a special occasion.
This weekend I'll make some pictures. The planes are very nice, look almost unused. They have a very steep pitch of 65 degrees, so maybe they were only pulled from the shelf for a special occasion.
Corneel":2idgubpz said:
It's not an easy book to find, having become a high priced collectible itself. Classic Hand Tools took over the bookselling business of old tool expert Roy Arnold when he died, and they may still have copies. I was in touch with somebody there last year, who mentioned that Jane Rees is working on a further revised and enlarged fourth edition which they will be publishing - but they had no date yet for when that would be, and her website says it will be some time yet.
bugbear
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AndyT":1n7l2z8z said:
I'm waiting (patiently) for the fourth edition. The price of s/h 3rd editions is simply too high.
Edit; I'm surprised Astragal don't do another print run.
BugBear
Corneel
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Yes, a quick scan on the internet showed me that. So maybe i just get the 2nd edition and wait patiently for the 4th.
Corneel
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Well, the makers sign is 16mm, that makes 0.65". So it is from the older guy! That makes them quite a bit older then I thought!
Some pictures. The last one compared to my 18th century Dutch molding plane from a maker with initials A L.
The planes are very well made. And like I said almost unused. Even the point of the wedge is still sharp and crisp. The blades are a bit rusty with deep pits. I don't know if that is all rust or also some pits from the forging process. These are two matching pairs #4 and #6, being 1/4 and 1/2" radius. All marked with an owners mark I. Barrow.
I am afraid this purchase puts me into the collector category.
Some pictures. The last one compared to my 18th century Dutch molding plane from a maker with initials A L.
The planes are very well made. And like I said almost unused. Even the point of the wedge is still sharp and crisp. The blades are a bit rusty with deep pits. I don't know if that is all rust or also some pits from the forging process. These are two matching pairs #4 and #6, being 1/4 and 1/2" radius. All marked with an owners mark I. Barrow.
I am afraid this purchase puts me into the collector category.
Corneel
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Yesterday the book came in, 2nd edition, 3rd is a bit too dear for me. Very interesting read, and I really hope the 4th edition will come any time soon.
On reading the text I found one other mention of the name Higgs. It is mentioned in the pragraph as belonging to the group of "Philipson" type planes as the author names it. This is a group of 18th century planes where the chamfers on front and heel are not finished in a gouge cut, but they are cut straight along the line of the small filet on the shoulder. There is a Higgs plane found with that feature. That hellps to narrow down my planes a little further, because my planes defenitely don't have that feature. They are of a somewhat later design where the filet is almost gone, the chamfers are terminated by a gouge cut again and the top of the stock is rounded, instead of the large flat chamfers of the earlier designs. The length of the plane is alsmost exactly 9 1/2"which became the standard at that time.
So my planes are from Higgs, 1780-1817, but made later in his career, so I'll date them early 19th century.
On reading the text I found one other mention of the name Higgs. It is mentioned in the pragraph as belonging to the group of "Philipson" type planes as the author names it. This is a group of 18th century planes where the chamfers on front and heel are not finished in a gouge cut, but they are cut straight along the line of the small filet on the shoulder. There is a Higgs plane found with that feature. That hellps to narrow down my planes a little further, because my planes defenitely don't have that feature. They are of a somewhat later design where the filet is almost gone, the chamfers are terminated by a gouge cut again and the top of the stock is rounded, instead of the large flat chamfers of the earlier designs. The length of the plane is alsmost exactly 9 1/2"which became the standard at that time.
So my planes are from Higgs, 1780-1817, but made later in his career, so I'll date them early 19th century.
