woodbloke
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It's good! :mrgreen: (hammer) - Rob
I agree on both points and everything else betweenCheshirechappie":sjq3c9ne said:So is motherhood and apple pie.
Is it worth taking out a mortgage to replace all the tools already in the toolchest?
Must be the best thing since sliced breadwoodbloke":29tw9dye said:Yep - RobGazPal":29tw9dye said:Is it worth taking out a mortgage to replace all the tools already in the toolchest?
Hmm....woodbloke":ip9knxip said:It's good! :mrgreen: (hammer) - Rob
Hi,dunbarhamlin":2qvzlzcb said:What's almost more interesting is that the test results presented suggest yesterday's darling toolie steel, A2, is barely more performant than O1, whilst being considerably harder to sharpen.
Darn... I *almost* searched "SN8K-01L"...SammyQ":2ebtpuzh said:Foe those who are alphabetically challenged.....I think Rob is referring to:
http://www.pm-v11.com/
Cynics may suspect a resemblance to SN8K-01L.....![]()
C'mon Rob! Dish the details!
Sam
Yes, well to some extent, but let's not forget the better mousetrap fallacyPaul Chapman":3ftcxieo said:What a great time we woodworkers are living in with firms like Lee Valley/Veritas, Lie Nielsen, Clifton, Wenzloff and others continually developing better tools and materials![]()
Keep up the good work, Rob.......
Cheers :wink:
Paul
Yes, but in the 1970s and 80s most hand tools simply disappeared from the market. If it hadn't been for firms like Lee Valley/Veritas, Lie Nielsen, Clifton, Wenzloff and others we wouldn't have any mouse traps at all........Mr Ed":2jvy5bri said:Yes, well to some extent, but let's not forget the better mousetrap fallacyPaul Chapman":2jvy5bri said:What a great time we woodworkers are living in with firms like Lee Valley/Veritas, Lie Nielsen, Clifton, Wenzloff and others continually developing better tools and materials![]()
Keep up the good work, Rob.......
Cheers :wink:
Paul
http://tomfishburne.com/2011/08/a-better-mousetrap.html
As it says, “People don’t want to buy a quarter-inch drill. They want a quarter-inch hole.”
Agreed Paul,Paul Chapman":3lh4hu6y said:Yes, but in the 1970s and 80s most hand tools simply disappeared from the market. If it hadn't been for firms like Lee Valley/Veritas, Lie Nielsen, Clifton, Wenzloff and others we wouldn't have any mouse traps at all........Mr Ed":3lh4hu6y said:Yes, well to some extent, but let's not forget the better mousetrap fallacyPaul Chapman":3lh4hu6y said:What a great time we woodworkers are living in with firms like Lee Valley/Veritas, Lie Nielsen, Clifton, Wenzloff and others continually developing better tools and materials![]()
Keep up the good work, Rob.......
Cheers :wink:
Paul
http://tomfishburne.com/2011/08/a-better-mousetrap.html
As it says, “People don’t want to buy a quarter-inch drill. They want a quarter-inch hole.”
Cheers :wink:
Paul
I think the problems with A2 were largely ones of marketing. It was marketed as the best thing since sliced bread when it wasn't. Had the manufacturers explained that it would hold an edge longer than 01 but needed to be honed at steeper angles, then a lot of the "problems" could have been avoided. They of course tell us that now and most offer a choice of A2 or 01. It's just a pity that they couldn't have been a bit more up-front in the first place.Doug B":dvh9w33j said:But I remember all the hype that came along with A2 & it certainly hasn`t lived up to it.
As it happens I have quite a few A2 plane blades and chisels and haven't had any issues with them, but I mainly selected that steel because it was 'the thing' that was being offered for sale at the time; I wasn't trading up to that from some perceived inferior steel. I personally think the differences between the steels are not as significant as the tool companies present them as being. To be clear, I'm not doubting that each new steel has some better wear or sharpness characteristics, but just that these incremental improvements in steel technology are not as significant to changes in experience for the tool users.Doug B":2kqet24m said:Agreed Paul,
But I remember all the hype that came along with A2 & it certainly hasn`t lived up to it.
Once again I agree Paul, but the same marketing message was paraded by the woodworking press who also bought into A2. They were supposed to have tested it thoroughly & came out with the same message that the marketing men were saying.Paul Chapman":1bewpeab said:I think the problems with A2 were largely ones of marketing. It was marketed as the best thing since sliced bread when it wasn't. Had the manufacturers explained that it would hold an edge longer than 01 but needed to be honed at steeper angles, then a lot of the "problems" could have been avoided. They of course tell us that now and most offer a choice of A2 or 01. It's just a pity that they couldn't have been a bit more up-front in the first place.
Hi -Doug B":2maz5w1n said:(Snip) it will be interesting if this latest "must have" is 30% better than what we already have. For me I think I`ll wait & see, as the saying goes, time will tell.
Cheers.