Thanks guys. the shelf is removable as is the rail below it, (out of shot) The drop is about 2'4" in each of the spaces but the shelf is on adjustable pegs. The shelf is lipped with hardwood and yes, the doors were heavy due to the mirrors. Tim the mirrors were 4mm glass and were bonded to the backing then the lot sit in a rebate with mouldings to hold it in. :wink: These were fitted in a small terraced cottage with very,very steep stairs and were a pain carting those doors up there! :shock: