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Hi Guys
I have seen this question asked a lot on the forum but have not really seen a definitive answer.
Is there an alternative to Morells paints whose quatities are fine for industrial usel but not diy use.

Are car paints really an alternative I would be spraying and I am looking for a high gloss finish.

Thanks
Terry
 
alphatec":2vrqt6vg said:
Are car paints really an alternative I would be spraying and I am looking for a high gloss finish.

Thanks
Terry

If you can spray it SAFELY. From me who has done so, I say yes.
 
Hi n0legs
Thanks for your reply.
I have a spray booth, we resprayed telephone casings for BT in the past so would be pretty confident on the safety side.
If it is not to much bother could you tell me the process particularly which primer you used to seal the mdf,
I see people saying car paint cracks over time because it is not flexible enough for this use, is this your own experience?

Thanks
Terry
 
I was wondering about the same thing, I have this small project and in the end I'll need to paint a few parts black on the outside and white inside, and I don't know what is the "Best" solution to paint MDF.
 
We used to spray film sets with acrylic. They didn't have to stay up long but
sections kicking around for years and didn't crack. We did use MR. G
 
In my own experience of spraying mdf, we used mrmdf and pva glued the edges first. We used high build 2k primer, base coat and lacquer, all with proper booth and ventilation etc. All I would warn against with mdf is any filled screw holes will swell, no matter how carefully you fill and whichever paint you use, so think carefully about fixing positions

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alphatec":12rxdqda said:
Hi n0legs
Thanks for your reply.
I have a spray booth, we resprayed telephone casings for BT in the past so would be pretty confident on the safety side.
If it is not to much bother could you tell me the process particularly which primer you used to seal the mdf,
I see people saying car paint cracks over time because it is not flexible enough for this use, is this your own experience?

Thanks
Terry


Well with a booth and previous experience you're on the right track. Just make sure you're safety's up to scratch :wink:

For the edges and any routed profiles on MDF I sand like a mad man to get them as smooth and as closed in as much as possible. I find a brushed on coat of primer over these edges helps to get them sealed up well before I start finishing properly. I get that sanded back with 320 grit, then get into the priming and finish coats.

I usually use Max Meyer 3011 high Build primer.
http://refinishsystems.com/max-meyer/ma ... ler-primer
Or a lesonal equivalent.

Most of the stuff I use is either Lesonal or Max Meyer, in a 2k system.
If I use a water based top coat, this will be applied over a 2k primer, I clear coat with Max Meyer 0300.

I've tried most of the brands, Kapci, PPK, Glasurit to name a few, but I've found the Max Meyer and Lesonal to be the best for my purposes. Take the 0300 lacquer kit, that's 7.5 L, it covers brilliant and the kit lasts forever. Over bare wood it's 2 coats and it's done.
You can buy cheaper but you'll apply twice as much. The HS stuff just covers and covers. I did a little painting a few weeks ago and I used about 500-600ml and covered approx 2 sqm, twice (2 coats) and I ain't liberal with it either.

I've painted stuff that's ended up in my bathroom, bedrooms and other areas and to be honest I haven't had any cracking of the finish. The clear coat I've used over natural wood hasn't suffered any problems either.

The only issue I have found is the primer taking 4 hours to dry/harden. I always let my finishes air dry, I can bake them if I want but have found (to my cost) that the baking temp for these 2K products (upwards of 40C) causes the wood to release trapped gases/air and cause tiny bubbles in the paint film. This has had to then be refinished, I should have listened to people who knew better #-o

For me it's the cost of the stuff, cheap. I can use and apply it properly and safely. It's as tough as iron. It can be repaired easily. The choice of colours and finish, satin, matt etc. But most of all it looks great, no brush marks, no runs and ease of use.

Shane":12rxdqda said:
All I would warn against with mdf is any filled screw holes will swell, no matter how carefully you fill and whichever paint you use, so think carefully about fixing positions

Try sealing the fixing hole before filling it.
Drill, countersink, fit screw and then I use a little 2k clear lacquer (really a tiny amount 20-30mls or less if I can get away with it) and a cheap airfix/artist brush. I paint the bare MDF around the fixings, get a couple of coats on it in quick succession. Let it dry then fill with car body filler. To be honest I've found water and pva/pva a waste of time and I avoid all water based fillers.


Day after painting. waiting to fully harden before polishing.



Pain in the a$re to paint


Clear coats during application



Mums table after nine coats, apply and flat, apply and flat, apply and flat and polish. It's too shiny to photograph.
 
Hi, We used Morrells for about 10 years but when we moved over to PU systems we was not that impressed with the product and became a lot of work to get a high level of finish on MR-MDF.
We have now been using Symphony coatings RENNER "think its Italian paint systems for the last 5-6 years and is a very forgiving paint straight out the guns and has a fantastic build. Same goes for the water based systems.
Also for small specialist finish jobs they will supply smaller amounts than morrells.
 
Shane":3gpsasmb said:
All I would warn against with mdf is any filled screw holes will swell, no matter how carefully you fill and whichever paint you use, so think carefully about fixing positions
Can I just ask about this, is this from the filler swelling? If so aren't there any fillers that don't?
 
Not sure, we used 2k filler which I would have thought would be pretty stable. It may be the solvent from the filler trapped underneath in the fibres trying to off-gas after painting, and physically pushing the filler out, but didn't do too much experimenting as I just changed the construction technique to suit. As said above, it may be worth sealing the hole before filler, but I'm just not prepared to take the risk anymore.
 
Shane":3rn80ov4 said:
It may be the solvent from the filler trapped underneath in the fibres trying to off-gas after painting, and physically pushing the filler out.

That's along the lines of what we thought.
Since trying the seal before filling method I've had no problems.
 
Thank you, that's good to know, if I have the misfortune to have to use mdf again I'll bear it in mind :)
 
I use zinzer bin primer and sealer it does a excellent job on sealing sawed edges in mdf then i have used 2k or cellulose paint from my local automotive paint suppliers and have had very good results.
 
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