Is your car now safe?

[devonwoody]

Posted at another forum.

Our good friend xxxqx up in Derbyshire has just had an operation and is on sick leave went out to his works car the other day noticed things were missing--- satnav and leads ipod which had some of my c?d rcordings on ( Cheeky - Sod ) Works fuel card and some small things with sentimental value .there was no sign of forced entry .wondered if he had forgotten to lock it but as he was a special untill his health problems so doubtfull . but when the crime officer came asking him details he said was there any water around the vehicle __Apparently the thieves have a new system where they use a plastic bottle filled with water and sqirt it into the lock which somehow shorts out the central locking and they are in _________________

 

[Tom K]

Absolute twaddle John. Lock cylinder not connected with the electrics and shorting the central locking doesn't open it.

 

[devonwoody]

Absolute twaddle John. Lock cylinder not connected with the electrics and shorting the central locking doesn't open it.

Perhaps the safety officer was taking the Pss out of the bloke?

 

[sue denim]

We had a similar incident when we loaded our car ready for a very early start for holidays. The thieves stole all our daughters electrical stuff mp3..cameras etc etc. The car was locked but the gendarme could see no forced entry. The following evening on the first campsite we were sitting next to the car and it unlocked itself.. twice during the evening. It hadn't done it before. It hasn't done it since.

I was wondering if the 'tea leaves' had some sort of device that bombarded the central locking remote system.

Insurance didn't pay ..no surprise.

'Sue'

 

[Limey Lurker]

Insurance didn't pay ..no surprise.


I think that, if it happens again. you would be wise to smash a window before calling the cops!

 

[sue denim]

apparently fire and theft cover only the theft of the vehicle... live and learn eh !

Without wishing to hijack the thread I do believe that insurance companies now no longer offer good value.

Regards

'Sue'

 

[Random Orbital Bob]

when exactly was it that they did? I remember a Monty Python sketch from 1972 where the central tenet was taking the mick out of an insurance firm that wouldn't pay out.

 

[graduate_owner]

I think Monty Python took the mick out of most things. One of my favourites is the army swanning about. You can find it from that description on Google. Worth watching.

K

 

[devonwoody]

Motor insurance needs sorting and new laws.

Another example.
When you telephone and ask for a quote on a new car you have purchased they ask you the price and that comes into the calculation of the premium, that cover on your car is reduced each year because they apply book value, but the premium does not reduce each year, one example.

 

[Random Orbital Bob]

That's a very good example Devon. Also, for trivial damage, forget claiming. The excesses are now so high that unless you pretty much write your car off, there's no point in claiming anyway.

Also...riddle me this:

Ive just (last week) renewed my car...I always use the comparison sites because they do actually work. I ran the same spec for fully comp, 3rd p F&T and 3rd party only and guess what?

Fully comp was the cheapest???? How can fully comp possibly be less risk than 3rd party only....and therefore attract a cheaper premium. The worlds gone mad???

 

[devonwoody]

Because bad drivers are sometimes only offered third party and they have to pay.

 

[Harbo]

I've accidentally unlocked the car and wound down the windows whilst carrying its keys in my pocket several times - especially bending down gardening.

BMW's suffered key cloning attacks - thieves have now switched to Audis and Mercs - but they use this method to steal cars.

Remotes to gain entry can be cloned using some electronic toys and generally two thieves - there's been lots about it in the motoring press.
They copy the signal as somebody is pressing their remote to lock their car. This is transmitted to another thief who clones the remote.
When the vehicle owner is safely away they use their new remote to gain entry!

It's not as much insurance companies that are at fault, but car makers using these type of systems " to make life easier for us"?
Just like doing away with spare wheels!?


Rod

 

[marcros]

not necessarily about risk alone- it is also about competitiveness. More companies are quoting for fully comp, so it drives the prices down. It does make a mockery of it though as you say.

 

[Random Orbital Bob]

bonkers isn't it....like a return train fare sometimes being cheaper than a single?

 

[SammyQ]

Returning to the original question..............

My father is a radio ham. His 'mobile' set is, for some reason, tuned to a similar frequency to some car immobilisers...he had a right old time in a supermarket car park once, when he accidentally locked someone out of their car 5 times in 30 seconds as he responded to a call on his radio..... :|

Sam

 

[RogerP]

Returning to the original question..............

My father is a radio ham. His 'mobile' set is, for some reason, tuned to a similar frequency to some car immobilisers...he had a right old time in a supermarket car park once, when he accidentally locked someone out of their car 5 times in 30 seconds as he responded to a call on his radio..... :|

Sam

Immobilisers use either one of two frequencies, 418Mhz or 433.92Mhz
The Radio Amateur 70CM band allocation is from 432 to 440 MHz.

So a ham transmitter (legally) tuned to 433.92 should be fun in the car park.

Roger who also a radio ham

 

[doorframe]

Also...riddle me this:

Ive just (last week) renewed my car...I always use the comparison sites because they do actually work. I ran the same spec for fully comp, 3rd p F&T and 3rd party only and guess what?

Fully comp was the cheapest???? How can fully comp possibly be less risk than 3rd party only....and therefore attract a cheaper premium. The worlds gone mad???

Yes, got the same madness from Admiral. They did explain, but it made no sense.

 

[mseries]

Immobilisers use either one of two frequencies, 418Mhz or 433.92Mhz

that's interesting because I have been researching remote control sockets for a project involving my Raspberry Pi and they usually operate on 433.92Mhz. It will buy a suitable transmitter and receiver. My project will involve my device 'learning' the codes from the pre-supplied transmitter then my transmitter sending the same codes when instructed to do so by my software. I think I have just described a system to clone the systems used in cars !!!

 

[Random Orbital Bob]

Also...riddle me this:

Ive just (last week) renewed my car...I always use the comparison sites because they do actually work. I ran the same spec for fully comp, 3rd p F&T and 3rd party only and guess what?

Fully comp was the cheapest???? How can fully comp possibly be less risk than 3rd party only....and therefore attract a cheaper premium. The worlds gone mad???

Yes, got the same madness from Admiral. They did explain, but it made no sense.

I like that....they did explain. Even when they attempt to shed light on it, it remains a mystery

 

[RogerP]

Immobilisers use either one of two frequencies, 418Mhz or 433.92Mhz

that's interesting because I have been researching remote control sockets for a project involving my Raspberry Pi and they usually operate on 433.92Mhz. It will buy a suitable transmitter and receiver. My project will involve my device 'learning' the codes from the pre-supplied transmitter then my transmitter sending the same codes when instructed to do so by my software. I think I have just described a system to clone the systems used in cars !!!

It's one of the commonly used licence free low power frequencies.
http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/spectrum/information/licence-exempt-radio-use/