All you need is the will to live to see the future and self preservation will kick in, myself and my partner have been hunkered down since last February completely avoiding the pandemic raging all around. The virus cannot walk, run or fly and is totaly relient on people to carry it between victims so unless the people want to stop this pandemic the government is really powerless.
How would you rate the UK's handling of this pandemic?
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Lucky for you that the option to do this exists. Not possible for everyone.
As we are right on the precipice of NHS overload, I think we may find out their actual purpose. Sadly I don't think being transferred from ITU to a Nightingale will be a sign of a good prognosis. Downgrade to the toytown ventilators and cobbled together undertrained and undermanned staffing. A long queue for the twin morgues at the far end. But, still counted as ICU care in the stats for capacity and treatment.
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You believe it's all done for the gov't to look better then?
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Big panic on at the start. They realised they'd got it all wrong and charged in head down brain off trying to catch up. Main miscalculation was in not having enough staff - due to earlier austerity policies impossible to correct overnight.
No - have to have somewhere to put seriously ill patients if you fail in controlling the epidemic. The way they have been portrayed (down to the name) is spin though.
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Would death camps be a better name then, nothing better than honesty in a world wide crisis?
Those pesky WW2 politicians and their propoganda.
There are many to whom this is an option but they carry on as usual, many in self denial. If you take out all the people who can isolate then it makes it easier for those who cannot. I have seen que's for drive through coffee, Mc junk food, Kentucky junk food and a host of others, this is not essential especially when they end up in local areas to eat as groups.
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I can't disagree, but mate 24hrs a day, 7 days a week with Mrs Dr Bob, for the love of god man, you do not know her. I have been trying to escape for a good 15 years but she has found tunnel 1 & 2, however the glider in the attic is my real hope to get over the fence.
Very subtle Bob.
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So what would you call them Jake, you frown on Nightingale, obviously my suggestion was to portray an extreme, what should they be called to keep people happy but with no spin and to make public accept use of them?
At the start of all this, did we not see Italy being quite open about categorising some as unlikely to survive, and queuing them in basic wards for their transition to the afterlife?
I guess the nightingales will either be our version of that, or, on a more cheery note, low level rehab centres. They certainly are not going to be anything close to ICU units.
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The rules have not been "hazy" and "ill defined" AT ALL that's BS speak to point fingers - there is a pandemic and has been for a year now, people who interact with others, for whatever reason, risk a chance of infection; the more interactions the higher the risk.
This is not rocket science.
If this pandemic was smallpox or the bubonic plague you think people would still be being a-holes? NO.
(although the upside of that would be all the a-holes would already be long dead - so there's that, and the pandemic would fizzle out due to no contact with the intelligent isolationists.)
People are being A-holes, because people are people - the morons who thinks it's all a conspiracy, many of the younger generation think because they are young without underlying health conditions that getting covid is about the same as a flu - and because of the fact that some have been asymptomatic, they think they will be as well, have covid with NO ILL EFFECTS AT ALL and can carry on having house parties.
You could set up loudspeakers on every street corner, with TV screens showing local residents in hospital (and dying) from covid and THEY WOULD STILL NOT GIVE A DAMN - or they would find a way to say it's another conspiracy and didn't happen (like the moon landings).
The rules ARE CLEAR, and they have BEEN CLEAR since the beginning - the people who have been careful have stayed in LOCKDOWN as much as they can since march last year REGARDLESS of familial desires or needs as much as is possible. It's also been shown that no matter how careful you are, covid can still be contracted IF YOU ARE AROUND OTHER PEOPLE. Footballers, several people in F1, cricket etc etc etc the list goes on and on.
If you are around other people, EVEN those who are supposed to be in a closed bubble - someone, somewhere will still contract it and spread it.
Isolation is not perfect, but still proven to be the most effective method to reduce the spread - this is a simple, undeniable FACT.
Everyone else have just been chancers and fools who think it won't happen to them, until it does - IMHO it's pretty much a certainty some of the deaths in the last 28 days are a DIRECT RESULT of the idiots who broke the Xmas restrictions, and also likely some deaths attributed to those who adhered to the restrictions of household numbers, but DID NOT take enough precautions in the days leading up to Xmas, and infected TWO OR MORE households instead of just thier own.
Intelligent people don't need to be told that isolating a household and reducing outside interaction as much as possible is the smart thing to do during a pandemic, that's just good self defense, and those that DO need to be told, probably won't pay it more than lip service anyway.
I'm sick of reading armchair politicians blaming Whitehall for the moronic DGAF actions of Jill & Joe Schmo I see out there every.single.time I go out shopping in the last year - as an example, just the other day in Lidl I saw a woman pick up and handle THREE french sticks before choosing a fourth, without using disposable gloves provided. on the counter. (edit: yes we did have words, after she was less than polite, I brought it before a member of staff - I didn't check to see what they did after)
THIS is the BS the Govt is having to contend with, you can't herd people just as you can't herd cats - the only difference being cats can't be herded even if you use threat of deadly force.
If this gets much worse I'd introduce martial law, because clearly the idiots are STILL not getting it one year on - round them up and put them in camps where they can infect each other as much as they want - if they haven't understood that interaction = transmission by now, they never will and we will be forever at thier mercy as the strain continues to evolve and kill more people.
Enough is enough.
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I believe that is a process called natural selection, very important if you want a good strong population.
Nice selective quoting, very fitting.
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