I saw the Tracer pro scribe and deep pencil markers the other day in Toolstation so i thought i would go on line to gleen some more info and on Amazon i found an alternitive for much less so sugested to wifey maybe one of the kids could buy me them for xmas , Yesterday delivery arrived with some knife blades i had asked her to order and in the package guess what i found Much more bang for my buck here ive now got 3 deep hole pencils 2 loose lead pencils 36 assorted marker refills an automatic center pop a tungsten carbide scribe and a profile scribe . Thanks Santa