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Hi all,

For quite some time I've wanted to have a go at making a few tools, but not sure where to start with the metal work side so I figured as we have this section now I'd ask and see if anyone is able to advise me.

I only have very basic metal working tools (hacksaw, files, angle grinder, bench grinder) but loads of ambition, so with that here's the idea of what I'd like to be able to have a go at;

Scratch awl.
Birdcage awl.
Paring chisels.
Marking knife.
Maybe even mortice chisels.

I know the shapes of the tools obviously and I can turn the handles for them, ferrules I'm thinking I could make from either plumbing supplies or chrome tube (aka wardrobe rail) unless anyone has any better ideas, not sure what type of steel I'd need for the blades etc. and if it would be safe and effective to shape them on either a bench grinder or by hand file. I presume I'd need to find someone to harden them for me after they were shaped, as I'm pretty sure that against all you tube advise there's more to it than heating till straw coloured, dipping it in oil to cool and banging it in the oven for an hour or so.

Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.
Chris.


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Can't help with much else, but for the ferrules either craft-supplies.co.uk do packs of 5 in several different sizes which are a reasonable price or styles and bates do singles in a bigger range of sizes but are pricier!!

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Also I was looking at this recently for chisels bit you can buy 01 steel bar reasonably cheap but I can't remember the supplier off the top of my head. It was something like Sheffield steels.co.uk.....

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deserter":28s7xkvl said:
Hi all,

For quite some time I've wanted to have a go at making a few tools, but not sure where to start with the metal work side so I figured as we have this section now I'd ask and see if anyone is able to advise me.

I only have very basic metal working tools (hacksaw, files, angle grinder, bench grinder) but loads of ambition
The curious thing I find about metalwork is how few tools you really need. I can't comment on the hardening / tempering side of things, but on my apprentiship we did a lot just using a hacksaw, a selection of files and a pillar drill. For what you want to make, the only things I would add are a cold chisel and a weighty hammer.
 

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an HSS jigsaw blade is a good starting point for a marking knife. grind the teeth off, grind a bevel, hone, put a handle on and away you go.
 

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Google is your friend to find O1 stock, silver steel, and brass tube for ferrules.

A marking knife sounds like an easy start, a piece of O1 with a couple of wooden slips would make a traditional one.
You can harden smaller stuff - I've done up to 6x10mm - with a plumbing blow torch. And certainly you can improvise some tools - I made a pair of crook knives over christmas, using a steel pin from the rear linkage of a tractor as an anvil to form the curve around !

Mortice chisels, with the forged bolster bit to stop the tang splitting the handle when struck, look harder to achieve (There are some good pictures of the forging process in the Ashley Iles catalogue, IIRC)
 

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Hi, Chris

Well you will need O1 steel a MAPP torch or barbeque and hairdryer to harden it depending on the size of blade.
Filing is the best way to shape O1, if you grind it you can locally harden it and be in all sorts of trouble.
There are other ways to form a bolster like this one on my homemade fishtail chisel

It won't be strong enough for a mortice chisel but fine for a pairing chisel.
The other way is to make the bolster from 3mm mild steel heat it to red hot and hammer it down the tang.
Here is a chisel I made with a mild steel bolster.




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For simple things like scribers you can get away with a masonry nail as source of material.

There's some basic colour guides for heat treating tool steels, Silver Steel etc. on one of my pages. (reference section)
 

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That's all awesome advice. I wasn't sure what was and wasn't possible, I feel a lot more certain now that I can achieve something, what is anyone's guess but definitely something.


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Hey Pete your fishtail chisel looks like mine - 'COS YOU MADE IT - ha it is amazing and cuts beautifully
Cheers
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Here are a back bent gouge and a spoon chisel that I made from silver steel. There is no need for bolsters because they are not intended to be struck. The handles are of yew and pear respectively. The ferrules are ordinary copper plumbing tube.
 

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gasman":1p47mcy8 said:
Hey Pete your fishtail chisel looks like mine - 'COS YOU MADE IT - ha it is amazing and cuts beautifully
Cheers
Mark
Hi, Mark

I am glad you like it, there is a third one in the wild but we are in exlusive club.
I need to re-make the handle on mine, yours is a much better shape.

Pete
 
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