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I am late to this thread and have a genuine interest in the debate. In the first instance, I would like an independent and comprehensive report concerning the Luton airport car park fire. If it is to be of any use to me it has not to be about beliefs or speculations of the Bedfordshire Fire Chief... just give me the facts (and only the facts) so that I may decide for myself what I choose to understand from those facts.
I still have no idea whether I am for the changeover to EVs or not. Whether it is the climate change (used to be called global warming) protagonists or the WEF conspiracy theorists, I am left wondering where the truth actually is. Some people appear to be EVangelists in the worst possible way and do not tolerate any argument or even questions. e.g. what were the precise circumstances of the destruction of a home in St. Austell? I have not seen any reasoned debate or clear investigation of this event. I understood that the motability vehicle involved was not on charge at the time.
During my last decade at work, I was driving in time dependent circumstances up to 600 miles in a day. I can see that an EV would probably not suit that particular use case. I was invited by a local Tesla dealer for a test drive and the test vehicle was priced around the £70,000 mark. My enquiries about range per charge were enough to tell me that, broadly speaking, I could expect 200 miles from that vehicle but the Tesla dealer was quick to tell me that I could add another 100 miles to that range for another £15,000! Deity! I have never considered spending £85,000 on any model car. My current car is a low mileage 64 plate diesel, Jaguar XF, which I purchased 4 years ago in pristine condition with 11,000 miles on the odometer. Just £12,000 to you guv'nor. On a recent run to Inverness from south Bedfordshire, I averaged 55 miles per gallon.
The increase in EV fires has gone up 83% from July 2022 until June 2023 per Honeywell Safety and Productivity Solutions. This represents 130 incidents the previous year for the same period and 293 incidents in the period surveyed. This will not surprise anyone who understands that EV vehicle numbers have gone up and there are now more in circulation and being used on our roads. What is less easy to follow are the reasons for the fires... if they were all caused by an EV terrorist, then the figures can be explained away easily.
If the EV fires were the result of spontaneous combustion, I would not wish that fact to be buried under the welter of nonsense spoken on both sides of the EV fence. ICE cars may also suffer from an inordinate amount of fires when after they are stolen for joyriding or other criminal activities, they are frequently set on fire deliberately to hide fingerprints and other evidences. That factor must skew any attempt at reliable statistical analysis.
Car publications may offer some solutions but peurile articles that lack any basic rigour are singularly unhelpful. YouTube Channels like that belonging to John Cadogan are attractive, in they appear to be technical but the viewpoint can be seen as biased, because it is supporting a particular position. I would like to be shown information that does not have the taint of bias and then I can gather the data and arrive at a conclusion based upon facts and unmanipulated evidential data.
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I still have no idea whether I am for the changeover to EVs or not. Whether it is the climate change (used to be called global warming) protagonists or the WEF conspiracy theorists, I am left wondering where the truth actually is. Some people appear to be EVangelists in the worst possible way and do not tolerate any argument or even questions. e.g. what were the precise circumstances of the destruction of a home in St. Austell? I have not seen any reasoned debate or clear investigation of this event. I understood that the motability vehicle involved was not on charge at the time.
During my last decade at work, I was driving in time dependent circumstances up to 600 miles in a day. I can see that an EV would probably not suit that particular use case. I was invited by a local Tesla dealer for a test drive and the test vehicle was priced around the £70,000 mark. My enquiries about range per charge were enough to tell me that, broadly speaking, I could expect 200 miles from that vehicle but the Tesla dealer was quick to tell me that I could add another 100 miles to that range for another £15,000! Deity! I have never considered spending £85,000 on any model car. My current car is a low mileage 64 plate diesel, Jaguar XF, which I purchased 4 years ago in pristine condition with 11,000 miles on the odometer. Just £12,000 to you guv'nor. On a recent run to Inverness from south Bedfordshire, I averaged 55 miles per gallon.
The increase in EV fires has gone up 83% from July 2022 until June 2023 per Honeywell Safety and Productivity Solutions. This represents 130 incidents the previous year for the same period and 293 incidents in the period surveyed. This will not surprise anyone who understands that EV vehicle numbers have gone up and there are now more in circulation and being used on our roads. What is less easy to follow are the reasons for the fires... if they were all caused by an EV terrorist, then the figures can be explained away easily.
If the EV fires were the result of spontaneous combustion, I would not wish that fact to be buried under the welter of nonsense spoken on both sides of the EV fence. ICE cars may also suffer from an inordinate amount of fires when after they are stolen for joyriding or other criminal activities, they are frequently set on fire deliberately to hide fingerprints and other evidences. That factor must skew any attempt at reliable statistical analysis.
Car publications may offer some solutions but peurile articles that lack any basic rigour are singularly unhelpful. YouTube Channels like that belonging to John Cadogan are attractive, in they appear to be technical but the viewpoint can be seen as biased, because it is supporting a particular position. I would like to be shown information that does not have the taint of bias and then I can gather the data and arrive at a conclusion based upon facts and unmanipulated evidential data.
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