the mysterious holzmann machine company

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mikeoleson

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Hi all,
I moved to Lisbon, PT from the US relatively recently and have been enjoying browsing around the UKW forums as I put together my shop here. I haven't been able to find able to find much in the way of a Portuguese woodworking community--not online at least, so I've been coming to these forums to get my fix.

After debating over the pro/cons of shipping machines here from the US, I've decided to sell my machines there and ship over smaller power tools that I can use with a transformer here (like the UK, the electric in PT is 230v/50hz). So I've been researching machinery available to me here. As you probably know, there's a lot of difference between manufacturers available in the US and those in Europe, as well as the styles of machines, so I've spent a lot of time just trying to become more familiar with the European system.

Although there is a fair amount of woodworking in Portugal, my options for machinery are fairly limited. Used machines pop up in the classifieds on occasion, but not as frequently as in the UK or US. Also, many of the machines are for industrial/production use--out of my scope as a custom woodworker working alone with a limited budget to boot. However, yesterday I visited a local place which carries both new and used machinery (again, mostly large industrial stuff) and explained my needs as a professional single-person operation. The person I talked to gave me a catalogue for Holzmann Machinery in Austria, and gave me prices for a bunch of machines that are comparable to Jet machinery I've been looking at (the Jet 250cs supersaw and JPT-310 jointer/planer, for example), but for half the price. He also said that in his opinion, the Holzmann machines are very good...and he appeared to be pretty knowledgeable. So I excitedly came home to see what sort of reviews I could find on the internet, and basically found zero information about this company. I was able to find a couple of threads on German forums with other people also wondering about this company, and if their machines are any good. As much as I could discern, most people had not used Holzmann equipment and were dubious about its quality...but I didn't find anything definitive one way or another.

Anyhow, I was wondering if any of you are familiar with Holzmann. They have a decent website and catalogue and seem to offer a full spectrum of machines. And the prices are great--but you know, they seem too good to be true. And the fact that there's so little info/reviews on them on the internet is very curious (in a creep sort of way, I suppose).

Cheers,
Mike
 
I have heard of the machinery, don't know how good though. I suggest that you try Woodwork UK Forum. Scrits the guy to approach, his knowledge regarding machinery is second to none. HTH.

Cheers

Con
 
Funnily enough I came across a Holz planer the other day. It was a bit aged, but was obviously fair quality. I think it was orange? Or yellow?

I am not sure, but this looked like it was comparable to the old 'wolf' planer. It looked similar. That planer was also bought out by makita, so....

HTH

Neil
 
good morning together.

I am responding to the post about the "mysterious Holzmann machine company".
I live just outside Berlin, and am a Dreh und zerspanungstechniker. I work with metal, exclusively. I know this site is wood oriented, but I wanted to share my cautionary tale of my "experiences" with fa. Holzmann. They do exist, and are in Austria. I bought an ED750F metal lathe, 750mm between points,230v. This cost 1699 Euros on Ebay, new.
This machine was made by a company called "GAO-YUAN-MU-YE", so looks like Austrian (nice and red), but made in the far east. The finish was awful, controls and switches not even fitted straight. Chipped and blown paint, the coating broken off around the edges,exposing RUST. The power supply cable shielding was cut through exposing the live feed to the earth cable, so a direct short circuit for anyone who decided to attach a plug. This lathe comes with it's own support legs, made of tool cabinets which bolt to the the lathe bed. Unfortunately the holes didnt line up, so couldn't even build it up.
After complaining to Holzmann they offered to send me another one, as "this is unacceptable", won't happen again....etc etc. So, the second machine had differing, but just as many faults as the first one. Holzmanns answer - "At that price we find it wholly acceptable".......
SO, I have now spent 1699E, and have two of these palleted crates sitting outside my house. The freight company did't turn up for them yesterday,"forgot?". I won't be buying anything else from them.

Anyone wants to see some pictures, I will gladly post them.
 
I ultimately decided to stick with machines of a known quality. Glad I did...sounds like you had a pretty crummy experience with them, Rodders1.

Mike
 
Holzmann are an Austrian company, specialising in the importation of both wood and metal working machinery, sourced (as most machines are these days) from Chinese prime machinery manufacturers. The quality is pretty much the same as it is with all of the other companies that import and resell such machines, including British companies such as Axminster, Warco and Chester.

By way of illustration, take a look at the following links to a combo machine - you may be a little surprised at what you see:

OOps! I am not allowed to post links it seems - sorry about that. I tried to help...

Look at the Holzmann K5 260VF machine, then the Axminster AWC4, Warco "Wood Combination Machine" and the Chester Machine Tools "Combination Machine CM250" machines - you will see what I mean.

The actual manufacturer is the China Shoot Manufacturing Company - you will probably recognise some more of the machines they manufacture there as well as the combo machine I illustrate.

I hasten to add that there is nothing wrong with machines made in China - it is just that cheap machines are, and will always remain, cheap machines no matter where they are made.

The plus side is that spare parts are much easier to find than might first seem to be the case - so long as you don't mind different colours, that is...

Ciao a tutti.
 
Peter, welcome to the forum, it's the spam trap that is blocking your external url, it will leave you alone after 3-4 posts.
 
CHJ":372i76cc said:
Peter, welcome to the forum, it's the spam trap that is blocking your external url, it will leave you alone after 3-4 posts.


No problem at all; I understand the need for spam controls. And thank you for the welcome, although I have to admit that I am not that often on the internet these days - far too busy to now that I am retired!

Ciao!
 
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