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Bluekingfisher

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I was thinking of treating myself to a LN carcass saw to befriend the LN DT saw I already own. As nice as they are, do I really need a X -cut saw back saw? I have happily x - cut with the rip file teeth on the DT saw with good results to date.

Would a carcass saw improve the final cut, bearing in mind the final cut is tuned on a shooting board anyway? Are there specific areas where the DT, or any of my vintage rip cut tenon saw could not compete with a dedicated x - cut tooth pattern?

Thanks in advance

David
 
X- cutting matters less with the fine teeth found on a dovetail saw. You'll see the benefits on saws with less TPI. At what point that kicks in, I'm not sure.
 
At 14 tpi, the LN carcass saw will cross-cut faster than the dovetail saw. I reach for mine more often than any other saw.
 
Go back in time to the 'good old' (though not necessarily in all ways!) days of Benjamin Seaton and of Holtzappfel, and the 'carcass saw' was just a slightly bigger dovetail saw. I suspect the dovetail saw was used on small stuff (drawer sides and the like) and the carcass saw on thicker stock like - er - carcass sides. They didn't have any backsaws specifically for cross-cutting. They also had sash saws and tenon saws (which could be real monsters - Benjamin Seaton's was 19 1/2" long) for smaller and larger tenons. Most work was done by hand.

Fast forward in time to the middle 1980s, and there were two sorts of backsaw. The dovetail saw survived (usually with a very deep blade and a big, clunky handle), and the only other type was the 'tenon saw', about 12" (occasionally 14") with about 3" depth of blade below the spine, and a similarly clunky handle. Both tended to be supplied sharpened cross-cut. The 'tenon saw' was for doing tenon cheeks (very slowly) and for trimming pieces to length, often with a bench-hook, which it did quite well. The saw selection available reflected the fact that most work was done by machine.

Fast forward again to today, and there's been something of a revival in 'traditional' saw-making, so there's much more choice. It means you can suit saws to the type of work you do much more easily than in the 1980s. If you do a lot of trimming to length with a bench-hook, a cross-cut filed saw of 12" or 14" length, say about 12tpi, and not too deep in blade width below the back, would make sense. If you tended to do such trimming jobs by machine, maybe not so much.

I think for the general run of furniture-scale work, if I were starting again I'd go for a 10" dovetail saw, a 12" cross-cut filed carcass saw for trimming to length at the bench, and maybe a 14" sash saw for larger tenons. Unless you were doing large-scale joinery, that should cover pretty well all back-saw duties.
 
Mouppe - Thanks for the input.

CC - I wasn't aware of the " lack pf choice" as recently as the 1980's however, we now as you have stated seem to have an abundance of choice available to the proffessional and home user alike. I suspect I could do without a x - cut saw most of the time. I have several vintage DT and tenon saws of varying blade length & ppi format which could cover just about all I do. A powered mitre saw does all the larger x- cutting although, as we all know, a man can't have too many tools :wink: , so I may invest in that LN carcass saw for that 'just in case' situation. Thanks for the input.

Much appreciated.

David
 
One of my favorite saws is a 14 TPI Pax/Thomas Flinn. It is rip, but it cross cuts very well also! Very handsome saw, with brass back and walnut handle. Bought from "The Best Things", here in the States, for about $110 or so, and is a real bargain, compared to the "boutique" saws that cost 2 and 3 times that amount.

Incidentally, I have a few of the more expensive makes and find the Pax just feels better.
 
With modern 020 and 025 saw plate available, I dont see the necessity to add fleam on backsaws for cross-cut work. I prefer to focus on the rake and tpi count with my own backsaws.

Stewie;
 
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