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Chris152":j9cg9g12 said:
The problem with anti-cyclist attitudes like some of the ones being expressed here is that they help develop/ reinforce bad attitudes among drivers of cars etc. That can then be reflected in their attitude to cyclists when on the road, with potentially lethal consequences.
I ride my bike most days and stick strictly to the rules, and I reckon every other day a driver/ someone getting out their car does something that endangers me significantly.
Joking or not, it's no joke when a car hits a cyclist.

The bad attitudes run both ways.

A lot of cyclists do follow the rules of the road, the same can be said of car drivers. It seems to be an acceptable thing to say that whenever a driver mentions something negative about a cyclist that they have the bad attitude.

Because I have said that I would jail cyclists who ride 2 or more abreast I have been accused of never having read the highway code, even though the highway code states that the cyclist must ride in a single file on busy roads and at bends, I have been told on here I am an inconsiderate driver and it's because of people like me that accidents involving cyclists happen. For the record I have in over 40 years of driving never had so much as a point on my licence and yet it's people like me who are causing these accidents. This is also the first time in my life I have ever been involved in any kind of altercation with a cyclist and it's on a freaking forum.

I live right next to the countryside and EVERY weekend cyclists are 4 or 5 abreast on the road, we go over the snakes pass into Glossop most Sundays and when the sun is out it takes us 40 minutes longer to make the journey, it adds the same to the return trip. We have never once shouted at them, given them the finger or gesticulated towards them, even though they are not cycling in the correct manner, yet so far some of the cyclists on here deem it right to make assumptions about me. Maybe I should start slagging them off, maybe I should put the cam footage of them online because from what I see of the attitudes of some cyclists on here implying it is always the drivers fault and there is no such thing as a bad cyclist.

I've not seen anyone even implying they are anti-cyclist on here, but I have noticed people saying that if a cyclist is on the road then behave within the guidelines of the highway code.
 
In my experience one cause of poor driving, that could lead to an accident, is frustration. The problem with cars v bicycles, or bicycles v cars depending on your view point, is that they behave differently on the road and tend to frustrate each other.

As a cyclist I find cars pass too close as all drivers are idiots who are trying to kill me, as a driver i think I’m ok to get past as I know what I’m doing.

As a cyclist I should get to the front at the lights as it’s the safest place to be, as a driver that cyclist that was holding me up just got in front of me again.

As a cyclist I will ride a meter from the curb, or door opening zone, as it stops people trying to squeeze past, as a driver if that guy would just move in a little I can get past and on with my journey.

There are always idiots on both sides of any issue. I see a lot of cyclists go through red lights, and in some countries for safety this has been made legal if done at a controlled speed, but in the UK it’s not so you should just sit there and wait. I have also had my fair share of car drivers bring their two tons of metal perilously close to my 90kg of flesh and blood and then got annoyed with me when my fear has overflowed and I’ve shouted/gesticulated at them.

I blame it all in those pippers winning all them gold medals and making road cycling to popular, especially with middle aged men in Lycra.

Fitz.
 
I would ban rap. We all know that the 'c' is silent.

Also all soaps like Eastenders and Coronation Street...Too much shouting at each other as opposed to sitting down and discussing things calmly.

Also tail-gaters. Caravans. Middle-lane hogs.
 
Don't even get me started.

Mandatory driving test every 5 years, fail it once, get a retest, fail twice and you're banned for 6 months. Drive during any driving ban, from this or anything else = £5000 fine or seizure of goods.

If you don't have the goods or money - chain gang doing community service

Saw another woman driver with a phone to her ear just after 5.30 today, not even remotely GAS.

Hanging for murder and all sex crimes (yes it's complicated - don't care)

Mandatory national service.

Any person who ends up convicted of a crime more serious than a parking fine lose all voting rights for up to 5 years - all persons in prison lose the right to vote at all for the period of incarceration and 2 years after that (and who thought giving them the vote was a good idea?)

MP's no longer able to give themselves pay rises - make it based on "customer satisfaction".

All medical professionals, teachers and associated staff, firemen and police force salaries increased by a base factor of 30% (would prefer it doubled but can't afford it).

Corporation tax increased, plus income from selling of corporate shares over a value of £1,000,000 when said person worked for that company at ANY position in a UK based office, taxed at a higher rate 60% (still less than the top rate in the 70's - basically fat cats cashing in thier share bonuses.)

Inheritance tax threshold increased to £1,000,000 - so most "ordinary folk" and thier families get to keep most of thier money, without having to pay for expensive financial advice that's often financially out of reach of Mr and Mrs Schmoe (and my father was a financial advisor for St James' Place Wealth Management; Formerly J Rothschilds Assurance Group, since inception in 1991 and previously in the industry since the late 70's - that's yet another "this would have affected me too" situation.

yeah I could go on and on.

Sheffield Tony":fwg07j7s said:
ColeyS1":fwg07j7s said:
End inheritance tax

I'd do the opposite. Increase it to properly fund social care. Put an end to the terrible discrimination against dementure sufferers - get cancer, heart disease etc, get looked after at the state's expense - get dementure, nothing left for anyone to pay inheritance tax on.

So literally, like - what's ur beef?

I'm half with you, except for the issue of cancer sufferers who smoked more than 1 per day for any sustained period, and heart patients who overate and did almost no exercise (and still don't) despite every specialists recommendations, or alcoholics being on the same waiting list as a teetotal for a new liver.

You want to properly fund social care? - CHARGE those people what it costs to help them**, rather than tax the people who were careful with thier money and saved for their old age, then had some left over to help thier living relatives.

A friend of mine was quoted £5,000 PER WEEK to care for his elderly parents, just for getting old and after a lifetime of being a higher rate tax payers, and paying their NI - yet I'll bet there is a high percentage of people getting NHS care for illnesses, diseases and injuries that were "self inflicted".

** chances are it'll also act as a bloody strong deterrant too - yes I KNOW it's complicated, but a line HAS to be drawn somewhere.

Oh and giving birth - you get three for free, after that - you pay full rate (which as of figures in 2017 is about £13,000 all in pre, and post care. Yeah £13,000 EACH). No more council house queens squirting out 6 kids and getting two council houses knocked together to live in.

Council Tax the way it was SUPPOSED to be (Poll tax) - that's a nice fat jump in revenue right there.

I live in a 4 bed house, converted to 6 bed (landlord owned), in a not so nice part of Bristol, and the house is worth £360k with a Ctax rate of £1982 per year or 0.55 % of current value.

My father lives in a 6 bed house, in a NICE area of Surrey, in a private road, with 1/4 acre of land, a 1/4 olympic size indoor heated pool, a double garage, gym and sauna; property value £1.37 million.

His CTax? £3,000 or 0.21% of value.

I'm being screwed.

Increasing the tax percentage on inheritance tax will have the opposite effect, savvy people will sell up and blow the lot or dump it in the myriad ways you can make money disappear - it's hard enough catching the ones who do as it is (remember all that broohaha a few years back with all those celebrities?) - and HMRC already fails more often than it successfully claims what was payable - increasing the tax will just increase the amount of people doing the above and swamping the already ineffective HMRC.

"Higher taxes" for the common folk isn't the answer - never was.

What's needed is more effective spending and less time and money wasted on stupid "nanny state" oversight in the civil services.

A friend of mine was quoted £5,000 PER WEEK to care for his elderly parents, just for getting old and after a lifetime of being a higher rate tax payers, and paying their NI - yet I'll bet there is a high percentage of people getting NHS care for illnesses, diseases and injuries that were "self inflicted".

People who who dangerous sports should have to buy healthcare insurance against injury. That includes pretty much any sport that has heavy bodily contact, even rugby.

(oh and again I'm in BOTH of the (ex) smoker + not as fit or slim as I should be categories, before anyone starts pointing fingers, plus I used to do martial arts and extreme sports; snowboarding skiiing, rollerblading on roads, downhill MTB trials, archery, clay pigeon shooting, windsurfing and more besides - so yeah insurance against injury should be a thing in the UK same as it is elsewhere.)

Oh and if you stick your head in a microwave and pour plaster of paris in to make a mould and you start to suffocate - I'd call that "natural selection". Calling the fire service to cut you out for FREE not an option.

Balance that first mate - then we'll talk.

(far as I'm concerned George Best should never have been given another liver)


Sorry this was meant to be a lighthearted thread - but some things really get up my nose.

/gets off soapbox.
 
Is lane selection on roads really so complicated?

If I’m in charge it would be electrodes on the nipples for those bovine dumb-ass people who get in the left hand lane on motor way roundabouts when they want to take the third (right turn) exit.
 
Ahh , it's that point in a thread when I quietly walk away from what used to be bit of fun and is now becoming personal.

:|
 
Amongst that post (rafezetter), most of what I think I understand I disagree with. But I struggle to see how you can charge people who do any remotely dangerous sport (or other passtime ? Power tools maybe ?) but also heart patients who do no exercise - does anyone live a blameless life, or do you think insurance companies need the boost of a US style healthcare system ?
 
I started this thread as a light hearted distraction from "the bile filled " thread.
But some of you from over there could not resist, could you?

:roll:
 
John Brown":11fx42sd said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/06/smokers-good-economy-think-tank-finds/

Ha that changes my opionion of the 20+ stone fella maybe mid twenties of age waddling along Northumberland Street in Newcastle this morning stuffing his face with a huge beefburger and puffing on a fag in in between mouthfulls.
Good on yer mate you're saving taxpayers like me a fortune. =D> :wink:

On a serious note, I was staggered by the number of hugely overweight people I saw today many of them students presumably doing the uni inspection visits.
 
phil.p":fteq3qnf said:
and don't even think about looking at the staff of your local hospital.

Speak for yourself ! Northumberland NHS are the DB's.... Bloody brilliant.

I just looked to see when next I could make an appointment to see my GP. How does 8.30am tomorrow sound ? :D
 
RogerS":2z3j1c3r said:
I told you not to go to Gregg's :lol:
:lol: :lol: I never do. I let my missus buy me a sandwich then I get to moan if I don't like it. :wink:

by phil.p .......and don't even think about looking at the staff of your local hospital.

I try not to go into hospitals Phil - makes me feel ill.
It's like GPs. never need to go for donkeys years then one minor ailment and wallop they've got the hooks in and it's come back for this and that check. :roll:
 
RogerS":16bwc8uh said:
phil.p":16bwc8uh said:
and don't even think about looking at the staff of your local hospital.
Speak for yourself ! Northumberland NHS are the DB's.... Bloody brilliant.
I just looked to see when next I could make an appointment to see my GP. How does 8.30am tomorrow sound ? :D
I was commenting on their frequent obesity, not their efficiency. :D
 
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