What is this plane?
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Looks like a 110 or variant stanley block plane cap lever, Possibly A GTL body, is it brass/bronze? Heres a no 3 GTL http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GTL-Brass-Smo ... Sw65FXwEBI
Its definitely a frankenplane to my beginners eyes at least. It's quite intriguing I'd like to know more.
(Edit)
Couple of pics:
A joblot freebie 110
That got remade as this (frankenplane):
But here's a GTL that I got cheap just to try and copy /salvage (possibly?!? :/ ) parts of the norris style adjuster. Madness probably but there you go. Desperate times, desperate measures and all that.
I can take some measurements tomorrow but it looks pretty similar. Wonder if your one is set up as a scraper?
Its definitely a frankenplane to my beginners eyes at least. It's quite intriguing I'd like to know more.
(Edit)
Couple of pics:
A joblot freebie 110
That got remade as this (frankenplane):
But here's a GTL that I got cheap just to try and copy /salvage (possibly?!? :/ ) parts of the norris style adjuster. Madness probably but there you go. Desperate times, desperate measures and all that.
I can take some measurements tomorrow but it looks pretty similar. Wonder if your one is set up as a scraper?
MrTeroo
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Thanks for the reply.
I did think Stanley 110 but I can't find an image of one with a rear handle.
How would I know if it is set up as a scrub plane?
I did think Stanley 110 but I can't find an image of one with a rear handle.
How would I know if it is set up as a scrub plane?
bugbear
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MrTeroo":24ikv1en said:I've searched for an image of a plane like this but no joy.
Is it a Frankenplane?
No markings of any kind on it.
Can you post a photo of the upper surface ("bed") of the frog, with the lever cap and blade removed?
BugBear
MrTeroo
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bugbear":27vutw26 said:MrTeroo":27vutw26 said:I've searched for an image of a plane like this but no joy.
Is it a Frankenplane?
No markings of any kind on it.
Can you post a photo of the upper surface ("bed") of the frog, with the lever cap and blade removed?
BugBear
Yes, I will take one tomorrow
I just wondered about a scraper plane because in the photos the angle of the blade seems steep which might account for it being tinkered with. Just a guess mind. I doubt it's set as a scrub because of the size. A scrub is normally set with a wide mouth and a cambered blade to hog off waste wood, Hence it's usually a bigger body (so it achieves relative flatness before other planes going down to a smoother are employed etc) A scraper might be used for finishing difficult grain so would be the opposite of a scrub really.
Just an idea. I'm sure proper experts will be along soon.
Edit. That photo I posted is the rear handle on the 101 There's no wooden handle. The scallop and the adjuster make up the back of the block plane and sit on the upright from the plane bed at the back. Hope this helps.
Just an idea. I'm sure proper experts will be along soon.
Edit. That photo I posted is the rear handle on the 101 There's no wooden handle. The scallop and the adjuster make up the back of the block plane and sit on the upright from the plane bed at the back. Hope this helps.
woodbrains
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Hello,
In fact that plane is an ideal size for a scrub. Because they are used to remove big, thick shavings, the blades tend to be narrow. 1 1/2 wide with a radical camber is common. It does not look as if your iron is cambered, though, but the mouth looks wide enough. Might be an easy conversion if you wanted a scrub. Can't see why a scraper is suggested. The blade is almost upright on a true scraper, actually leaning forward. It clearly isn't that.
Mike.
In fact that plane is an ideal size for a scrub. Because they are used to remove big, thick shavings, the blades tend to be narrow. 1 1/2 wide with a radical camber is common. It does not look as if your iron is cambered, though, but the mouth looks wide enough. Might be an easy conversion if you wanted a scrub. Can't see why a scraper is suggested. The blade is almost upright on a true scraper, actually leaning forward. It clearly isn't that.
Mike.
lanemaux
In Memorium
the main casting puts me in mind of a Shelton that I own (first plane I acquired from E-b@y ) gotten just to clean up and not for use. I believe they were called the easy - set plane. Pure rubbish to use mind you , but an interesting design effort . I will see if I can find it to take a pic or two.
That's an odd one! The body immediately put me in mind of those unnamed (Whitmore?) no. 2 planes. Rear handle looks similar too, but without a raised ring or the cast "MADE IN ENGLAND" at the rear I don't think that's what it's based on.
MrTeroo
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The distinctive thing on this plane is the vertical cutter adjuster. The common Bailey design was so successful that it makes anything else look odd, but there was a time when many different ideas were patented and put into production. Flicking through Roger Smith's "Patented and Transitional Planes in America Vol 1 1827-1927" I can find planes by Meriden, Standard, and Sargent all with something superficially similar, but not identical.
I could be wrong but even with the odd adjuster I don't see this as a valuable, rare plane - I suspect it's a fairly recent, cheaply made tool with a mechanism copied from an old design just for the sake of its simplicity and ease of manufacture. Even assuming that the hex head bolt was originally something nicer (maybe the hexagon was encased in plastic which has broken off?) it does not look carefully made.
I doubt that anyone would have put out something with quite such a nasty front knob, so I guess that's the work of a previous owner, and I think we may as well blame him for the visible nut at the top of the rear handle.
Once we have assumed a resourceful repairer who did not bother much about appearances, I think it is also safe to assume that the curvy handle with its underneath knob has been taken from a block plane and pressed into service here. If the plane had a flat lever screw cap, it would look more normal, but they usually bear against a central screw, not a transverse bar.
That's more of a ramble than an answer, but I would guess at a budget line plane from the late twentieth century, possibly from Germany rather than UK or USA.
I could be wrong but even with the odd adjuster I don't see this as a valuable, rare plane - I suspect it's a fairly recent, cheaply made tool with a mechanism copied from an old design just for the sake of its simplicity and ease of manufacture. Even assuming that the hex head bolt was originally something nicer (maybe the hexagon was encased in plastic which has broken off?) it does not look carefully made.
I doubt that anyone would have put out something with quite such a nasty front knob, so I guess that's the work of a previous owner, and I think we may as well blame him for the visible nut at the top of the rear handle.
Once we have assumed a resourceful repairer who did not bother much about appearances, I think it is also safe to assume that the curvy handle with its underneath knob has been taken from a block plane and pressed into service here. If the plane had a flat lever screw cap, it would look more normal, but they usually bear against a central screw, not a transverse bar.
That's more of a ramble than an answer, but I would guess at a budget line plane from the late twentieth century, possibly from Germany rather than UK or USA.
Sheffield Tony
Ghost of the disenchanted
I'm thinking Frankenplane, user made from a no-name Number 2 casting with a bit welded in to add a homemade depth adjuster, and a block plane cap ? Does the depth adjuster and where it connects with the casting look original ?
rafezetter
Troll Hunter
Bm101":1qwl241s said:Couple of pics:
A joblot freebie 110
That got remade as this (frankenplane):
Wow, Bm101 - did you make that yourself? it's such a simple design yet transforms that 110 so well - did you get the brass tensioner made?
I'll have to keep my eye's open for a 110 and try similar treatment.
Ty, that's very kind but a bit strong. There's a noob thread on here. it-s-help-an-eejit-day-again-110-infill-advice-please-t98777.html Go for it. It's far from perfect in design and execution but was a good starting project for a beginner like me.rafezetter":2t9kgpxt said:
Anyway back on topic.
Woodbrains, thanks. I've learnt something new.
MrTeroo
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Sheffield Tony":g44iwdqa said:
It seems to be original, as far as my limited experience can tell.
toolsntat
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I seem to remember having one of those :wink: Somewhere #-o
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Andy
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Andy
Sheffield Tony
Ghost of the disenchanted
MrTeroo":2lkk7c1i said:
In which case, even if it isn't particularly valuble (I'm inclined to think AndyT is correct) at least it is unusual and interesting. And I can vouch that those Number 2 planes, though not terribly refined, work just fine as a scrub plane for a lot less ££ than a Stanley #40:
no-2-as-a-scrub-plane-t76285.html
