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"I'm not driven by money and neither are the Royals"...I have to take you at your word but suggesting the royals are not either is delusion to Olympic standards.
They frequently have their hands out for more, frequently receive valuable gifts (check out the provenance of the queens stables) and if there is ever a suggestion of reducing the hand outs they receive, the bleating is outrageously loud.

No disprespect meant to the queen but it's time this "institution" was very firmly parked up and told they have to pay their own way.
Thank heavens you said all that. I thought you were going to call them lazy for a moment.....
I suppose like us all you have never received, held out your hand, got anything given to you at all ever in your life?
 

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This glosses over the revolution and aftermath completely. Read any of the numerous sources on the Nobel family history, or of Royal Dutch Shell and Standard Oil. In early 1920 the Soviets took Nobel's company, Branobel, into state ownership and he was expelled. The Soviets also then took all his personal assets, and those of the company. A few months later Nobel negotiated the sale of his interests in the company to Standard Oil, ESSO. This was an interesting move since according to the Soviets he no longer owned anything and so his interest in the company was essentially worthless. In reality this became the basis of the later involvement of Standard Oil in restoring the industry after the disastrous consequences of the state takeover following the revolution. Standard Oil effectively took over on condition that their interest was recognised. It was Standard oil and Royal Dutch Shell who provided the expertise to get the industry back on its feet in the lead up to the second world war, just as both companies, together with Branobel, had built it up in the first place.
Anyway, we are way off topic, and you appear to have little appetite for factual history anyway.
 
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.... and you appear to have little appetite for factual history anyway.
Completely the opposite.
That's why I keep googling to see what turns up when people set off on a little rant! I knew absolutely FA about Russian oil industry, know a little more now!
It is difficult to get simple objective facts though, maybe they don't exist.
No surprises if they effed it up - Russian "state capitalism" was the worst of both worlds in many ways and a million miles from western style "democratic socialism"
 

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I really thought that the DoE was a bit of a twit and that the royal family, as a whole, were out of touch and misinformed. That said, I have always felt that they do a job that I couldn't do and that they bring a financial and moral benefit to the country and should not be removed or otherwise altered. Generally, if somebody is doing a job that I feel unable to do as well as they can, who am I to criticise their remuneration?

With the death of the DoE, the only thing which has changed in my mind is that the DoE actually wasn't the twit that I thought he was and that he actually contributed to the royal "brand" rather than freeloaded from it.

My other viewpoints remain as before.
 

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The D of E's flunkies applied for an increase in his allowance for performing his public duties ................... the year after he resigned from them. :)
And rightly so when you work 20 years longer than the rest of us.
 

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The D of E's flunkies applied for an increase in his allowance for performing his public duties ................... the year after he resigned from them. :)
To put things in perspective. At his termination of Public Duties Prince Philip received £395,000 each year.
It is estimated that at the same time his wealth amounted to 30,000,000.
 

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Yes all that grouse shooting must have really taken it out of him.
You know who he is now, well done for reading up on him.

Always amazes me how people can't stand other people having a good life. 2 days ago you didn't even know who he was. Now you seem very envious of his privileged life.
I think things work out better when you focus on your own affairs rather than those who are doing better than you.
I guess that's your type of socialism, bring everyone down to the same level of misery?
 
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I remember, back in the day, when this forum was about woodworking and associated stuff.
Pretty sure the bbc are overloaded with sycophants covering this just now :rolleyes:
Allow me to show you the description at the top of this off topic forum:

》For non-woodworking related topics《

Allow me to also point out that just the first woodworking subforum has more posts than this one by a wide margin.
 
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