Stokes Complete Cabinet Maker 1841 Edtion anyone?

[Toolemera]

I'm in search of anyone who might have a copy of the 1841 edition of J. Stokes The Complete Cabinet Maker And Upholsterer's Guide.

The 1829 first edition is within spitting distance of publication but first I would like to check a few facts against the 1841 edition which was also published by Dean & Munday, London.

Thanks
Gary

 

[greendolphin]

I would be really curious to see these books. Are they available as PDF's anywhere ?

 

[Toolemera]

I would be really curious to see these books. Are they available as PDF's anywhere ?

The Internet Archive PDF for the 1829 edition is right here:

http://archive.org/details/completecabinetm00stok

There isn't any online version of the 1841. The next up is the 1850 from Henry Carey Baird which is the same as the 1829 except that the color plates are not included.

 

[dannykaye]

Abe books abebooks.co.uk has loads of versions for sale as pdfs and several real copies of various editions. Bt the only version of the 1841 copy is a real book and is about £180. Wht is special about that edition?

 

[Toolemera]

Abe books abebooks.co.uk has loads of versions for sale as pdfs and several real copies of various editions. Bt the only version of the 1841 copy is a real book and is about £180. Wht is special about that edition?

Ready for a short rant? The ABE books you presently see are ripoffs of the Archive and Google docs. So whatever you see in the black & white online pdf is what you will get in the print book. The sellers download the free pdf files en masse and sell them under their own name. Quite a few of these sellers are one company working under multiple names. If they offer a pdf, it's just the Archive or Google pdf which is already free.

In other words, it's a huge scam which the independent publishing industry has been trying to stop with little success. When you go to ABE, select Advanced Search, then select the NOT PRINT ON DEMAND button and see what is left. Some still slip through so you have to be careful.

After talking to a fellow librarian, I discovered that the 1841 edition, also by Dean & Munday, is the same as the 1829 except that it lacks the 11 hand colored plates. From 1850 onwards it was published by Henry Carey Baird of Philadelphia, still without the 11 color plates but with the same text. In 1880 an appendix on French Polishing was added and that was the last change.

 

[AndyT]

And what Gary is too modest to say himself, is that he specialises in making newly printed editions of old books which are proper usable books, done with care and attention, because he values the contents!

 

[Toolemera]

And what Gary is too modest to say himself, is that he specialises in making newly printed editions of old books which are proper usable books, done with care and attention, because he values the contents!

Thanks Andy!

therein lies the source of my rant, which rant I delve into on regular intervals. An interesting tidbit discovered is that one of the founders of the scam was the company that started the Amazon ebook company and later split off on it's own. I can't name them as of yet because I don't have the solid link, just a solid inference.

 

[dannykaye]

Ok that is strange, I buy a lot of books from abe and almost never see a pdf in my searches. The surprise about this book was the number of pdfs. However, the one 1841 I did find was a real book. The other thing is that the bookls I buy come from all over and I have visited several of the bookshops and they all exist and are real, old style bookshops.

I am confused...

 

[Toolemera]

Ok that is strange, I buy a lot of books from abe and almost never see a pdf in my searches. The surprise about this book was the number of pdfs. However, the one 1841 I did find was a real book. The other thing is that the bookls I buy come from all over and I have visited several of the bookshops and they all exist and are real, old style bookshops.

I am confused...

ABE, originally the Advanced Book Exchange in it's infancy, was bought up by Google. Google owns Google Books. Google allows any wannabe bookseller to dump anything into ABE. Now Google/ABE is allowing so called eBooks to be dumped into the mix. Whenever I search ABE, I used the advanced search and exclude the junk.

Pro booksellers complained to ABE and ABE responded by adding the 'exclude POD' in the advanced search option. Big Deal.

That 1841 edition is moderately pricey only because it is the London edition. By 1850 it became the US edition. Same electroplates, different publisher. No 11 color plates. That's all.

 

[AndyT]

Gary, I thought Abe was owned by Amazon, not Google?
(Though it is getting difficult to tell when one ends and the other starts... ;-) )

 

[Toolemera]

Gary, I thought Abe was owned by Amazon, not Google?
(Though it is getting difficult to tell when one ends and the other starts... ;-) )

Apologies, Amazon did buy up ABE. Part of the deal was allowing Google books into the mix which also gave a gateway to Internet Archive books via the Google Books channel. Amazon allows sellers to sell Google book ripoffs via ebooks and print books so why not at ABE too?

My pardons are abject