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Water-Mark

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I'm in the market for some chisels and a couple of planes (spoke and block) and it appears the market is saturated with cheap tat barely fit for purpose.
So how do you know whats good and what isn't? I'm not looking to spend a fortune but I don't want to end up with two sets having bought rubbish the first time.
Thanks.
 
Hi,

Chisels look for Cast steel on the blade and boxwood handles, planes go for old Stanley/Record, spoke shaves the old low angle boxwood ones are good.

Pete
 
Older planes are a good call, the iron will have probably stopped moving now. Also consider comfort. I have tried various stanley block planes over the years, the only one that truly felt comfortable to use ( to me ) was the stanley No65. But not everyone likes the wider planes.
Strange thing is though, i tried the veritas low angle block plane - same size blade as the No65, yet it felt too wide / uncomfortable.
Also don't be affraid to try out millers falls and craftsmen planes both made copies of the stanley's.


I know you asked about used. However depending on final budget this plane could be a good starter plane
http://www.workshopheaven.com/tools/Qua ... Plane.html

Or the single iron version. Highly thought of, works out of the box and better still with a quick hone on the blade.

Also maybe these chisels?
http://www.workshopheaven.com/tools/Nar ... tural.html
I have 3 of these now and 2 of the mortice chisels. The price isn't far off some used chisels from the bay.

And before Jacob says anything. If they are good enough for paul sellers to recommend, they can't be that bad :)
 
There seem to be a lot of good quality chisels around secondhand, but the very least most of them need to put them back into good working order is a regrind of the primary bevel, back-flattening if you feel the duty the chisel will be used for requires it, and honing. Sometimes that can be a five minute job, sometimes rather longer.

Planes are more tricky. Even the good models of plane from pre-war era will require some fettling, even if it's just cleaning and sharpening. Buying almost sight unseen off Ebay can be hit and miss, buying at bootfairs is fine if you know what's what with planes. The best bet is probably buying from reputable dealers - you can get your money back if not happy, and the good dealers want to maintain their good name, so don't misrepresent what they're selling.

Almost anything that was good quality when it was made can be returned to good quality with a little knowledge and some effort. If it was tat in the first place, it'll always be tat however much effort is expended in fettling it. Stick to stuff that was quality to start with, and be prepared to pay a bit more for it once rather than buy something dirt cheap twice or three times.
 
Record A151's are normally decent spokeshaves and available with flat and round soles.

Record and Stanley handplanes provide a solid standard of utility and quality. I like wooden spokeshaves, but you're best off selecting them in person as they sometimes have issues regarding the fit of the double blade/iron tangs.

Other brands? One general rule of thumb was to "buy tools with the maker's name etched/engraved/stamped into the casting" as this tends to prove the maker was willing to put their name to the tool and not disown it.

Try to avoid buying old cast steel chisels with short blades. They often have very little life left in them, because the edge steel typically only reached to within 1.5" of the tang/handle.
 
Cheers guys, I'll hit some boot sales and try to stay off the bay.
Are the older marples chisels any good?.
I'm one of the few people I know who actually enjoys sharpening a chainsaw and takes the time to do it properly, there's a perverse sense of satisfaction in knowing that it's going to function as it should.
 
I know Marples were producing decent decent chisels up until the mid 70's when I bought a set, but I've not much experience involving any made since then. :)
 
If you are going to bootfairs...get as many chisels with WARD...SORBY...MARPLES with three shamrocks...or anything with Cast Steel or Warranted Steel on it. Try to look for boxwood handles and other hardwood one...octagonals are good usually.

Look at all the tools in a grubby box...get a feel for what looks quality...eventually you will be able to spot a good one from the car park!

Get to know regular dealers at these fairs...they are a mine of information and sometimes bring you other tools if you tell them what you need. I have a regular "dealer"...just a private guy with a huge collection...and I search him out first. Yes...he is a bit more than a pound a shot sort of guy but you know what you're getting is good and at a fair price.


Jim
 
If in doubt buy the cheapest?
OK for chisels, few of them are so bad they are unusable and it's good to get your hand in and wreck a few cheap ones first.
Less good for new planes. Modern cheapies are not so good, but having said that my only experience of this is with a Stanley 220, the new one being just not as good as the old one I bought in about 1975. I could be wrong!
But old Stanley's and Record 220s 4s and 5s are handy sizes and cheap and often very good. Old 151s are good too.
Old saws are good - Spear & Jackson especially so as the quality is good and they are unfashionable and hence cheap. You get nothing extra for collectables at 10 times the price, except a name.
 
Hi Wm,

Try this link...

http://www.oldtools.co.uk

These people aren't cheap exactly, but you can pick up some nice tools. (E.g. A virtually unused, Pre WWII Record No. 6 with Rosewood handle, and requiring next to no fettling. )

I find their item descriptions are reliable, and TBH, I've never had a bad tool from them.
Always worth a look.

HTH :)
 
I just had a look for 220s here.
I prefer the old ones (with a wooden knob, the new ones a steel button).
The new ones have the advantage of a blade tilt mechanism but I still don't like them. They are heavier - a block plane is for one handed use and light weight is good. Also not so well made and 10 times the price.
 
Thanks guys, it's all food for thought.
I tried a boot fair at the weekend but despite being advertised in the local paper and online it wasn't on (new tools looking better all the time)
I quite like the idea of re handling a few, god knows I've got enough wood but I'm not sure sharpening and flattening before I make anything is very appealing at the moment.

Does anybody have any experience of modern bahco 434 chisels?.
 
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