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So you deleted the shill thread Mike. Care to explain?
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What I find remarkable about the lengths to which conmen will go (conmen being perhaps a more accurate term than spammers in this sort of case), is that if they devoted the same level of intellectual activity and ingenuity to honest work they would probably be quite well off.
By the way, what's a shill?
By the way, what's a shill?
bourbon
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Originally a 'plant' in an audience of a Three card trick or shell game.
Thank you. That fits. I just did a quick search on the orthography of the word. It's first recorded in N America in Edwardian times (ca. 1911). Given that it seems to have its roots in the circus and street entertainment world, I wonder if the origins are Romany.
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DBT85
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oh I don't know about that
I was pleased to get mine on Xmas day as a gift, though it had been on my list at that price for a few months.
These days it gets tossed around quite freely to describe anyone who likes something a bit too much.
billw
The Tattooed One
Haha well there were 14 left when I got mine so it was more than that although I dunno how many were because of here!All six?
Do you think we could ever have a new internet where everyone has a certificate and can be verified. The internet is an amazing facility, but also a dreadful one when used by anonymous people who troll other people, spread fake news, lies and misinformation. I believe in free speech, but not from anonymous sources. I think I might even pay for advert free internet, or at least having the facility to turn them off completely. I can see a huge number of problems trying to do it How would you prevent all the people who openly broadcast stupid conspiracy theories? Who would run it? who would regulate it. You might end up with something like they have in China. I think the bad genie is out of the bottle and can never be put back.
billw
The Tattooed One
I’ve often thought about this, having a digital identity that your bank cards, passport, social media accounts, phone numbers etc can be put against so that it’s a guarantee of who you are. Totally voluntary. You might not need to be a need to store the actual documents or the numbers, just a token that links them to confirm that you are who you say.
The downside is that it would take about 3 minutes for the Russians and Chinese to try and hack it.
I suspect that iris recognition will be the way ahead. There'll be a small reader either in the machine or on your key fob and bluetoothed to the machine. It would also be a good way to keep porn sites blocked for children.
DBT85
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Nope.
The uk govt wanted (wants) to put a block on VPNs and faced a backlash, there is no way the internet as a whole can do anything like you are saying.
Individual sites can do more and the likes of Reddit allowing stuff of a vile nature to be posted there becase "freedom of speech" has been abhorrent and still LEVELS less bad than even worse sites. None of them ever will because it will affect the bottom line. The best you get is the little blue tick which shows that the person is in fact the person. But they are a small number or the overall numbers.
It's a wonderful creation for getting like minded people together to talk of wood butchering or knitting or sports. Sadly it's also a creation which helps get like minded people together to talk about deporting all the brown people or 5g masts causing covid. Trump has mastered it. Hitler would have loved it.
SamTheJarvis
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Humanity's inability to wield power justly is unerring, you have no idea the danger of the ideas you're playing with.
Yes there are aspects that allow bad actors to amplify their activities, and concepts like social media are causing culture and resultant politics to bifurcate. Given time and sufficient freedom, a bottom-up solution (as opposed to the top-down solution suggested) to the issues the internet brings is inevitable, a neo-enlightenment perhaps, where culture changes to include behaviours and principles that limit the negative effects of rapid and largely unfilitered communication, likely in the form of greater skepticism towards information online and major distrust of platforms like Facebook.
I'm suggesting a 'new' internet not banning what exists. It would be the opposite of the darkweb...the lightweb? Something people could subscribe to. I suppose it's like having a family filtered Internet.
I think the internet is just getting full of complete and utter rubbish. Still a huge amount of good stuff, but at some point it will become impossible for many people to see what's real and what's fake.
I suppose it's no different to what has happened in the past, Speakers corner in London where people could stand up and say anything, but now instead if a few dozen listener, there can be millions. It gives nutters a platform with million of viewers. I see it like a disease spreading through society poisoning some peoples minds.
I absolutely understand the dangers of censorship and control. I would be the first to fight against it, but at the same time. I see the distress caused by bad actors on the internet. It's a terrible dilemma and that's why I think the bad genie is out of the bottle and there's no way of getting it back in?
It would be good to think a bottom-up solution will happen, but as long as people can be anonymous. I don't see that happening. You just need to look at a simple forum like this to see how nasty people can get if others don't accept their views.
I think the internet is just getting full of complete and utter rubbish. Still a huge amount of good stuff, but at some point it will become impossible for many people to see what's real and what's fake.
I suppose it's no different to what has happened in the past, Speakers corner in London where people could stand up and say anything, but now instead if a few dozen listener, there can be millions. It gives nutters a platform with million of viewers. I see it like a disease spreading through society poisoning some peoples minds.
I absolutely understand the dangers of censorship and control. I would be the first to fight against it, but at the same time. I see the distress caused by bad actors on the internet. It's a terrible dilemma and that's why I think the bad genie is out of the bottle and there's no way of getting it back in?
It would be good to think a bottom-up solution will happen, but as long as people can be anonymous. I don't see that happening. You just need to look at a simple forum like this to see how nasty people can get if others don't accept their views.
SammyQ
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Benchwayze
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I solved my sharpening conundrum. I put my chisels and irons under a cardboard pyramid. I make an affirmation and leave it to the force!
Works every time and costs pence!
John (Tongue in cheek!)
Works every time and costs pence!
John (Tongue in cheek!)
In China you have to provide your mobile phone number for just about every site you log in to. The mobile number is of course tied to a verified bank account (part of buying the phone contract) and the bank account is verified to the person by the bank staff and copious documentation when you open the bank account. Personally I don't have a problem with that.
One man's "vile" (incidentally a much devalued word due to people using it to describe opinions with which they simply disagree) is another man's "reasonable".
If we're going to allow freedom of expression for one, we have to allow it for all. Lenin, Stalin and Mao would have loved it just as much as your candidates.
The internet genie is out of the box. If we do go for something like iris recognition, that would be a first step. But you're never going to be able to deal with the gullible and those who would manipulate them other than by counter argument. Even then, some will be impervious to it.
Cabinetman
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Iris recognition didn’t stop Wesley snipe in Demolition man yuck.
billw
The Tattooed One
We definitely shouldn't allow unregistered mobile phones here, there's literally zero need for someone to remain totally anonymous in that regard.
Using the internet in China is pointless anyway, all the accessible sites are in Chinese.
Jacob
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You could have a problem if you were Chinese and had unorthodox political opinions.
For sure but you would have those problems regardless... That's a wider issue than preventing people maliciously hiding behind pseudonyms and apparent anonymity
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