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Does anyone know if it's feasible/possible to obtain such a thing as an aftermarket device that can slow a lathe down? I would like to try my hand at threading but not at the minimum 500rpm of my Draper lathe.

Any ideas?

regards

Brian
 
You can get AC motor speed controllers but you would need to match it to your motor type and power (overrate the controller to deal with any start up surge). You may find the torque is reduced and you will need to watch cooling as many motors will drive their own internal fan, so slowing it down will reduce air flow considerably. If your lathe is belt driven then you may be better off changing the pulleys.
Of course you should ask Draper in the first instance.
 
You probably wont be able to do it on the Draper as I believe they all have start/run capacitors on them so they are either on or off.

It is possible to thread chase at 500rpm just a bit more difficult to master.

john
 
jpt":3rkqabqr said:
It is possible to thread chase at 500rpm just a bit more difficult to master.

john

Sounds seriously scary. I don't want to waste £97 on a thread set to find I can't use it though

I might fire off an email to Draper to see what they say

regards

Brian
 
"I tried it with a 240v ceiling fan speed controller."
Was it a big fan or a small lathe ? :) Probably a different motor type too.

I think with starting capacitors the speed controller would have to be wired into the motor, not just plugged into the power lead, and maybe handle the starting function too.
 
brianhabby":2tsnw0lw said:
Does anyone know if it's feasible/possible to obtain such a thing as an aftermarket device that can slow a lathe down? I would like to try my hand at threading but not at the minimum 500rpm of my Draper lathe.

Any ideas?

regards

Brian
You cannot reduce the speed of a single phase induction motor in any meaningful way and maintain useful power.
An induction motor is tied to the A/C mains frequency; its speed is the result of how many field poles are in its construction. (normally 2 or 4 poles, occasionally as on the poolwood 28-40 mechanical drive lathe 6 poles)
As soon as you reduce the power to cause the tie between the poles and the rotor to break, it ends up in limbo land with the magnetic links just slipping, and in most cases the power input will increase considerably with no useful work being done.
Some ceiling and desk fans have different speed settings achieved by switching between different multiple pole configurations, 2-4-6 or 8.
In theory a frequency controller reducing the supply frequency will reduce the speed and in a three phase motor this is effective because of the design it can maintain the magnetic lock with the poles and provides useful power over a considerable range.
A single phase motor however rapidly loses the magnetic lock with the poles and once slipping occurs the rotor does not have sufficient inertia to carry it forward to the next pole. Power consumption will increase considerably once the motor enters this ‘stalled’ condition.
A universal motor such as fitted to the old Axminster pen lathe or your hand drills will run on both A/C and D/C and can be controlled via thyristors or triacs (or even a simple resistor as in old sewing machine controllers) to reduce power and hence speed, there will be a trade-off of output power though as power out cannot be more than power in.
Lathes fitted with DC or permanent magnet motors will in most cases already be fitted with appropriate speed controllers.
 
If you don't mind ultimately shredding the drive belt, you could slacken this off, and apply some gentle braking force to the chuck/faceplate or similar. But NOT recommended!
 
brianhabby":juvbhfbo said:
Does anyone know if it's feasible/possible to obtain such a thing as an aftermarket device that can slow a lathe down? I would like to try my hand at threading but not at the minimum 500rpm of my Draper lathe.
Presuming you mean hand thread chasing as opposed to buying a threading gadget, John Berkely, a renowned thread chaser recommends using a speed of 400 RPM but acknowledges that a lot of lathes won't go that slow, so says use your slowest speed. Using a finer thread ie more threads per inch means the tool moves slower which can help with the faster lathe speed. IIRC he recommends 16TPI so perhaps 20-24TPI would be a good compromise especially if you could borrow some chasers to see how you get on.

Like everything else, it's practice, practice, practise. Start with the easier external threads then move on to internal threads not forgetting to make a small relief channel on both internal & external for the chaser to run into. A small chamfer helps the tool to start.

John Berkely - http://www.johnberkeley.co.uk/

HTH
Regards
Robbo
 
Robbo3":132268am said:
Presuming you mean hand thread chasing as opposed to buying a threading gadget

Not quite sure what you mean by hand thread chasing or threading gadget. What I had in mind was the threading tools by Robert Sorby seen here.

What other ways are there for cutting threads?

regards

Brian
 
brianhabby":2hli25j9 said:
Not quite sure what you mean by hand thread chasing or threading gadget.
If you use the link I posted to John Berkley there is an embedded video showing how to chase threads by hand with tools such as those you linked to.

Chasing gadgets are those made by the likes of Bonnie Kline
- http://www.bonnieklein.com/turning-prod ... eading-jig

or available from Boffin53 on Ebay
- http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/sis.html?_nkw ... 0429961075

He also makes sphere cutting jigs.

HTH
Regards
Robbo
 
Robbo3":8fqgwbsk said:
If you use the link I posted to John Berkley there is an embedded video showing how to chase threads by hand with tools such as those you linked to.

Thanks for the links Robbo but I can't find a video on that website about how to cut threads :(

regards

Brian
 
you could get your machine shop/local welders to make a bracket to take the motor pulley and a 5 stepped pulley,then a 5 stepped pulley in reverse on the motor then you would have the variable speed still,and 2 higher speeds and 2 lower speeds,with no loss of torque,you would still have the 500rpm start speed in the middle pulley,but you would have to work out the rpm on the other 4 ratios,probably be able to google how to do that with your scientific calculator,regards, Eric.
 
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