Record Bedrock 607 Jointer advice

[Flynnwood]

Hello

I am looking to start some woodworking and I have been given a Record Bedrock 607 plane from a retired family member. The plane is very old and I would like to restore it to a usable condition. It has seen much service !

It is 22 inches long, 2 3/8" wide and these planes were apparently manufactured between 1898 and 1943. The handle is broken and needs replacing.

Any advice as to how to start restoring this would be much appreciated.

Thanks for all and any tips

 

[carlb40]

First off i must say what a lucky sod you are for being given a bedrock plane. I have never seen a record version before only stanley and they normally sell for around the £300 mark

You can buy spare handles etc on ebay or use these
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx ... at=1,46168

and make your own

I think with the rarity of this plane i would probably just do a little light cleaning to remove the rust and then use it

 

[Racers]

Hi, Flynnwood

Nice plane, are you sure its a Record?

What's broken on the handle (Tote)? the top looks chipped but usable.

I would strip it and rub the outside and all un-painted bits with a Scotch Brite pad to see just how bad the rust is.

Pete

 

[Flynnwood]

Hi, Flynnwood

Nice plane, are you sure its a Record?

What's broken on the handle (Tote)? the top looks chipped but usable.

I would strip it and rub the outside and all un-painted bits with a Scotch Brite pad to see just how bad the rust is.

Pete

Is it a Record? I think so .... ?

This is a better photo that shows the damage to the handle.

 

[Phil Pascoe]

Probably a Stanley with a Record lever cap.

 

[Racers]

Hi, Flynnwood

Its a Frankenplane :lol:

The chip can be repaired and made to match the original wood colour, and you might find a correct a leaver iron on Ebay.
Is the Blade a Stanley?

Pete

 

[Scouse]

Bedrock type study here; usual caveats apply as with all type studies, but it will give you an idea of what replacement parts you might need, if they are particular to Bedrock planes, and an idea of date.

http://www.antique-used-tools.com/brtypes.htm

Also B & G on Bedrock planes.

http://www.supertool.com/StanleyBG/stan15.htm

Personally I'd just take the rust off replace the handle and have a go, although a full resto would be a worthwhile job, I would have thought.

 

[Vann]

Probably a Stanley with a Record lever cap.

Definitely a Stanley with a Record lever cap :!: Record never made bedrock planes.

As you're new to olde tools you should do the minimum to it - derust, replace handle (put the old one aside), sharpen, test drive. The temptation to make it shiny and repaint may knock quids off its value and wipe out years of history. Keep an eye out for a "bedrock" lever cap, though it will work just fine with that Record ring-in.

Lucky sod :mrgreen:

Cheers, Vann.

 

[AndyT]

Here's some advice I prepared earlier which should help get that plane back in working order without spoiling its status as an old collectable and valuable item:

https://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/old-tool-cleaning-part-2-rust-removal-with-abrasives-t64233.html

 

[Cheshirechappie]

That may not be a high-value collector's prize, but it has the potential to be a VERY good user plane.

The working bits can be cleaned up quite well with a toothbrush and a bit of white spirit. Allow to dry, apply a light smear of light oil on screwthreads and adjusters, and reassemble. The rust on the sole can be dealt with many ways, and the thread AndyT directed you to covers most of them very well. You don't need to aim for bright and shiny, just clean and free of loose rust. Some residual black staining doesn't matter at all - indeed, it's a mark of character and history. The only bit that needs to be bright and shiny is the cutting edge of the blade - everything else just needs to be clean.

New rosewood handles can be bought from several sources. Ray Iles (The Old Tool Store) sells them (and many other goodies), Crown Tools make a handle/knob set that can be bought from various places such as Axminster Power Tool Centre, and Ebay is a regular source of bits and pieces.

Finally, just a point about using it. A try plane (sometimes called a jointer) is a slightly specialised tool for making roughed-out surfaces dead true. You really need to find a jack plane to do the donkey-work of roughing out, and a smoothing plane to do final finishing. Then, with the (excellent) jointer you already have, you'll be set for life as far as bench planes go. The advice is usually to get a No. 5 (jack plane) as a first plane, then a No.4 smoother, and leave the No7 try plane 'till later. The try plane is usually the most expensive of the three, so you've got a flying start on the budget side of things!

Well done - that's going to be a very nice plane!

 

[GazPal]

Congratulations on inheriting your new old Stanley Bedrock plane. Be sure to take good care of it and it'll remain in service for more than a few lifetime's use.

How wide is the iron on your plane? I'm assuming 2.1/4" wide, but could be wrong.

A replacement Bedrock lever cap may be the next thing to keep an eye open for and the old girl will be looking like her well used former self. :wink:

 

[carlb40]

Congratulations on inheriting your new old Stanley Bedrock plane. Be sure to take good care of it and it'll remain in service for more than a few lifetime's use.

How wide is the iron on your plane? I'm assuming 2.1/4" wide, but could be wrong.

A replacement Bedrock lever cap may be the next thing to keep an eye open for and the old girl will be looking like her well used former self. :wink:

Ahh if it is 2 1/4 '' ? Then there is one on ebay at the mo, but for £70 :shock:

 

[GazPal]

Congratulations on inheriting your new old Stanley Bedrock plane. Be sure to take good care of it and it'll remain in service for more than a few lifetime's use.

How wide is the iron on your plane? I'm assuming 2.1/4" wide, but could be wrong.

A replacement Bedrock lever cap may be the next thing to keep an eye open for and the old girl will be looking like her well used former self. :wink:

Ahh if it is 2 1/4 '' ? Then there is one on ebay at the mo, but for £70 :shock:

I've only just spotted that cap iron, but was thinking someone on here might have one going spare. I don't have a Bedrock lever cap, but do have an old 2.1/4" Stanley Sweetheart iron going spare which may fit the bill - if the present one isn't an original - and it's in need of a good home.

 

[Fromey]

Since it's a try plane, the flatness and straightness of the sole is fairly important. Since it's an old plane, it may have gone out of plumb (through dropping, WWII bomb blast, etc.) I'd suggest putting a straight edge and a pair of winding sticks on the sole just to see what you're dealing with. Hopefully it's not significantly out of whack because such a long sole would be a pitta to try and flatten.

Lastly, welcome to the forums and the journey of discovery ahead!

 

[Kalimna]

With regard to replacement handles, here's a link I cant remember where from (possibly this forum, possibly a luthiery forum) to a chap who makes replacements. I havent purchased from him, but if you are looking for something a little different, maybe this could be the ticket?

http://www.drozsoldetymestanleytotesandknobs.com/

Cheers,
Adam

 

[Vann]

I'm assuming 2.1/4" wide, but could be wrong.

Yes you could be (hammer)

Ahh if it is 2 1/4 '' ? Then there is one on ebay at the mo, but for £70 :shock:

Sorry guys, it's only the pre-1940s No.5½/05½/605½ that were 2¼" - 4½, 6 & 7 planes have always been 2⅜".

You guys will get expelled from the plane polishers society... :mrgreen:

Cheers, Vann.

 

[GazPal]

I'm assuming 2.1/4" wide, but could be wrong.

Yes you could be (hammer)

Ahh if it is 2 1/4 '' ? Then there is one on ebay at the mo, but for £70 :shock:

Sorry guys, it's only the pre-1940s No.5½/05½/605½ that were 2¼" - 4½, 6 & 7 planes have always been 2⅜".

You guys will get expelled from the plane polishers society... :mrgreen:

Cheers, Vann.

Not to worry. I was going to offer the iron I have for free, but it'd be a waste if it doesn't fit. I'd wondered if the Bedrock iron sizes tied in with their ordinary Bailey offerings and now I know. It looks like ye olde worlde sweetheart iron will gather a little more dust........ Unless someone wants or has a use for it before I do.

 

[Flynnwood]

Just an update to this for anyone interested. The cold weather put me off with tinkering for a while, but I stripped it down for a de-rust.

After de-rust treatment:

I have not touched the sole or the blade yet, this was just a first swipe on some plywood.

The micrometer is from days of old measuring piston rings in car engines.

I then planed up (with some sweat) a seven foot piece of seriously warped 25 year old fascia board to turn it into a nice shelf using this near on two foot long tool

 

[GazPal]

Nice one

 

[Paul Crowe]

i cant post links yet but if you google "major panic plane restoration" you will get a good resource for the electrolysis process to remove the rust.