shim20
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what are peoples thoughts on this compared to lie nielsen no5? looks a nice plane for the price? ive got the urge to get a new plane to got in my new tool box im making :lol:
thanks all
thanks all
it is tempting when you say that,matthewwh":sjbcgtae said:With free delivery, free returns and a lifetime guarantee (link) why not order a Quangsheng and have a look at it for yourself?
I think you'll find it weighs a bit more than the equivalent Stanley or Record as the castings are quite thick. I used to have a QS 6 and it was heavier than my Stanley 7.shim20":y318i22f said:it is tempting when you say that,matthewwh":y318i22f said:With free delivery, free returns and a lifetime guarantee (link) why not order a Quangsheng and have a look at it for yourself?
how much dose it weigh? kind of important as i want to keep the weight down much as poss as have to carry toolbox a long way every day.
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You forgot Toyota and Mitsubishi :mrgreen: - Robmatthewwh":26me1lm0 said:Twenty years ago you would probably have had Honda and Nissan on that list too.
The Quanshshengs are good value for money, especially when backed up by exemplary customer service like Matthew's. But the "real thing" (Lie Nielsen or Clifton) is definitely worth the extra, and the whole undercutting/cloning business leaves a nasty taste with me,so having dipped my toes in the water a couple of times I've personally decided not to buy any more of these products. Not that I expect this decision to make anyone quake in their boots,,,jettagreg":1hpciw9t said:i could never buy one because they're made by a company called quangsheng, I know they're probably really good for the price but I cant get past the name. I also wouldn't buy a Kia or a Hyundai, opting instead for a manufacturer of proven quality like volkswagen or BMW. If I bought a quangsheng I'd be forever thinking that I should have saved up a little more and got a LN
It's not really a matter of conscience. Just a little King Canute-like gesture. And a genuinely-held belief (based on experience) that Clifton/Lie Nielsen are well worth the extra.Kalimna":3a7aei8c said:John - I imagine that LN slavishly copying Stanley designs weighs just as heavily on your conscience then, does it? They may be made to greater tolerances, but they are direct copies nonetheless. At least Quangsheng do it to a budget better suited to more folk. But I think this line of discussion has been brought up many times before.
Adam S
Adam, no offence taken, and no need to apologise. To me, the point is not the originality or otherwise of the designs. It is that Lie Nielsen etc have invested significant time, effort and money in supplying a gap in the market for high quality hand tools when tools of the quality required were no longer being produced by the original manufacturers. They did not drive Stanley/record etc out of business by copying and undercutting them, as I fear may be the case with Quangsheng vs Lie Nielsen/Clifton. I'm sure that this will have been discussed ad nauseum before I joined the forum, so please don't let me steer this thread off topic if raising the matter again is unwelcome.Kalimna":2ty1kd9o said:John - absolutely you are entitled to your own opininion. But when you state that you dont want to purchase some product because of copying (amongst other reasons. quote - cloning leaves a nasty taste), it rather contradicts your further opinion that LN is acceptable and preferable, despite their own cloning. I certainly wouldnt argue with you regarding the higher quality product, merely the nature of whether one company copied and should be criticised for it, yet another company who copied, did it earlier and better should not be.
Please accept my apologies if you took offence.
Adam
I think you made a good point but there is a huge gap between the prices paid for a good quality used stanley/record and a LN/Clifton. I think that a Quangsheng neatly fills it with something that someone with limited money like myself could purchase knowing they had a good quality tool that required little work but didn't cost them an arm and a leg.JohnCee":1f6aajiv said:Adam, no offence taken, and no need to apologise. To me, the point is not the originality or otherwise of the designs. It is that Lie Nielsen etc have invested significant time, effort and money in supplying a gap in the market for high quality hand tools when tools of the quality required were no longer being produced by the original manufacturers. They did not drive Stanley/record etc out of business by copying and undercutting them, as I fear may be the case with Quangsheng vs Lie Nielsen/Clifton. I'm sure that this will have been discussed ad nauseum before I joined the forum, so please don't let me steer this thread off topic if raising the matter again is unwelcome.