Quantcast
  • We invite you to join UKWorkshop.
    Members can turn off viewing Ads!

Phillips bits

UKworkshop.co.uk

Help Support UKworkshop.co.uk:

phillipsbitssuck

New member
Joined
21 May 2020
Messages
3
Reaction score
0
Location
Mayenne
Having recently moved to France from Canada, i now have to put up with the poorly designed Phillips screw system. Canada uses a square drive system ( Robertson) The biggest advantage of the Robertson screw is that it will stay on the screwdriver/driver bit, this gives you back your other hand (Left or Right). Let me say that another way, the Robertson system gives you an extra hand, It's like using two hands to put a Phillips screw in and being given a third hand, so in essence by moving here Phillips has taken away my left hand as i now need it to hold their badly designed screw. Can anyone tell me how i can get my hand back? Thanks
 

Rorschach

Living on borrowed time
Joined
6 Jan 2016
Messages
4,828
Reaction score
539
Location
Devon
I think you will find France uses Pozidrive.

Anyway magnetic holders are very common and work well.
 

Myfordman

AKA 9Fingers
Joined
19 Jan 2013
Messages
2,321
Reaction score
126
Location
Southampton area
Furthermore if you don’t understand and recognise the difference between Phillips and pozidrive recesses then you will continue to have problems.
 

Inspector

Nyuck, Nyuck, Nyuck!
Joined
18 Jun 2006
Messages
1,927
Reaction score
264
Location
Saskatoon, SK., Canada
I understand your dislike of Philips and the not much better Posidrive but if you really want to be frustrated go back in history and try the Ried and Prince screws. They were the cam out kings of all the screws I ever worked with. Robertson is still my preferred. ;)

Pete
 

worn thumbs

Established Member
Joined
20 Dec 2014
Messages
656
Reaction score
0
Location
Norfolk
I'm no fan of Philips heads but then I encounter very few.It gets more confusing if you play with Japanese motorcycles because they have JIS screws which look a lot like a Philips but aren't the same as.The whole topic can be quite confusing since lots of fastening companies have tried to develop a better mousetrap ,or avoid paying licensing fees,for a similar product.A fairly thorough explanation is here: https://www.instructables.com/id/When-a ... -Phillips/
 

Rorschach

Living on borrowed time
Joined
6 Jan 2016
Messages
4,828
Reaction score
539
Location
Devon
Inspector":30c6yb9a said:
I understand your dislike of Philips and the not much better Posidrive but if you really want to be frustrated go back in history and try the Ried and Prince screws. They were the cam out kings of all the screws I ever worked with. Robertson is still my preferred. ;)

Pete
Going to have to take issue with you there, pozidrive is far superior to Phillips and is my prefered screw type, torx etc are good when new but when full of grime and paint they are awful to work with, pozi handles much better in these situations, not to mention that with just glance I know exactly whether I need PZ1, 2, 3, or 4, whereas torx are much more subtle.
 

woodbloke66

Established Member
Joined
17 Sep 2018
Messages
1,126
Reaction score
9
Location
Salisbury
Myfordman":3rgiakia said:
Furthermore if you don’t understand and recognise the difference between Phillips and pozidrive recesses then you will continue to have problems.
Agreed. I believe Philips screws were first used in the American car industry back in the 30's and are deliberately designed to tightened down to a specific (and fairly light) torque before they 'cam out'. Even so, they're frustrating to use and Pozidrive are only IMO marginally better.
For my wonga, I like the Torx drive screws but they can be driven quite easily too far into the wood and it's very difficult (but not impossible) to cause 'cam out' - Rob
 

Phil Pascoe

Established Member
UKW Supporter
Joined
29 Jan 2012
Messages
20,298
Reaction score
1,003
Location
Shaft City, Mid Cornish Desert
"The design is often criticized for its tendency to cam out at lower torque levels than other "cross head" designs. There has long been a popular belief that this was a deliberate feature of the design, to assemble aluminium aircraft without overtightening the fasteners. Extensive evidence is lacking for this specific narrative, and the feature is not mentioned in the original patents. However, a 1949 refinement to the original design described in US Patent #2,474,994 describes this feature."
 

Garno

Grumpy Old Git
Joined
21 Oct 2017
Messages
1,265
Reaction score
228
Location
Dronfield
Phil Pascoe":ndbxtxzz said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives
I didn't realise there was so many differing screw types.

Today I have been further educated thank you :)

Gary
 

yetloh

Established Member
Joined
1 Dec 2008
Messages
1,363
Reaction score
13
Location
Sussex
I switched several years ago to Torx - readily available and far superior to either Phillips or Pozi.

Jim
 

Richard_C

Established Member
Joined
17 Oct 2019
Messages
385
Reaction score
128
Location
Cambridge
Ask me in 10 years or so. I like torx on cars and bikes, not so sure for some uses. Yesterday I replaced some rotting decking. The posidrive screws I put in 10 years ago came out fine with an impact driver. The odd head needed clearing out with a pointy thing.

The new decking screws were torx, they went in fine. But I wonder, 10 years outdoors under trees will the head fill up with crud and stop the bit going in? Being straight sided, clearing might be harder.

Will let you know in 2030 if I can.
 

pcb1962

Established Member
Joined
28 Jan 2014
Messages
1,063
Reaction score
143
Location
Surrey
A tiny blob of Blu-tack in the centre of the screw head will hold it onto the screwdriver, I have to do this when reattaching my radiator covers to the wall through a little slot from 8 inches away.
 

thetyreman

Established Member
Joined
4 Mar 2016
Messages
3,021
Reaction score
233
Location
North West
the quality of the bit makes a difference, I got myself a wera screwdriver and bit set recently and should have gotten them years ago, also not a huge fan of phillips screws either, I prefer PZ, for some reason I love hex bolts, the ones where the hex is actually inside the screw head indented.
 

phillipsbitssuck

New member
Joined
21 May 2020
Messages
3
Reaction score
0
Location
Mayenne
Thank you for all your help.
With the modern day impact drivers I'm not having any trouble driving Posidrive screws in with Phillips bits, and whilst I understand that there are magnetic/slide guide holders for these types of screws (Problematic and dodgy at best) I will tell you that once you have tried Robertson screws you'll wonder what these other designers were thinking.
Do you think it's possible for Phillips or Posidrive to make a screw and driver system that has sufficient engagement to hold onto the screw and as such free up that other hand.
 

worn thumbs

Established Member
Joined
20 Dec 2014
Messages
656
Reaction score
0
Location
Norfolk
Lots of us use magnetic screwdriver bits and that particular problem just goes away.
 

owen

Established Member
Joined
5 Apr 2013
Messages
494
Reaction score
25
Location
Buxton
If you use the correct size bit then pozi and Phillips screws stay on easily? You've obviously got something wrong, either driving pozi screws with Phillips bits or vise versa.
 

thetyreman

Established Member
Joined
4 Mar 2016
Messages
3,021
Reaction score
233
Location
North West
poster has got to be a troll :D user name 'philips bits sucks' might be a clue whilst promoting them at the same time, kind of weird and conflicting :lol:
 
Top