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swb58

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Hi,

Earlier today I was talked in to going for a little jaunt and I've ended up buying two tools, so I'm very glad I went :D

Would this be good place to show off my purchases and ask some questions? I bought an old rip saw and a very heavy wooden clamp.

Cheers.
 
Just had a stab at posting a few pictures but I've gone wrong somewhere.

Will have a go later. Thanks for the welcome.
 
Welcome swb.

I think you need to post three times to beat the spam trap and be able to post pictures.

Can't wait to see your stash. :)
 
Knock three times, any funny handshakes involved? :D

This might be my third post then.
 
I didn't have a tape measure to hand so the measurements are guesstimates and they aren't brill pictures of the saw . . .

It's a Wingfield Rowbotham & Co saw. About 26" long, 5 tpi. I was drawn to it because it's basically rust free and I love the way the nut slots line up. There's a bit of damage to the handle on the other side but I can live with that, it doesn't look like it's been messed with.

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The other purchase is this clamp type thing. I think the 'jaws' are about 18", so is the length of screw. It's big and heavy, what type of work was it made for?
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Thanks for looking ( hope this works now)
 
Fantastic saw - I have not heard of the maker but I'm sure someone here has or will find out. The split nuts are a good sign of age.

Your big clamp is an old bench vice. Wood workers' vices used to copy the style of the black smith's leg vice. They're popular again now with people who make modern traditional benches.
 
Welcome to the forums. Some nice tools there.

I was going to say, there's another South Wales bod. Quite a few of us on here. 7 miles from here.
 
Welcome, swb58!

Some background information on Wingfield, Robotham & co. - http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Wingfield, ... ham_and_Co - incorporated in 1751, and amalgamated with Thomas Turner & Co in 1898, by 1947 a manufacturer of cutlery and silver plate.

Looking at the saw, the split sawscrews make it pre-1920, and the general handle and blade shape suggest pre-1900. If it's got an etch, it's post 1850. If the blade has an impressed stamping, it's pre-1850. Given the amount of factoring that went on in Sheffield, it's also possible that it was made by another firm on behalf of W, R & Co; whether the name and trademark continued in use on saws after the amalgamation is also an open question.

Nice saw, though. Worth cleaning up a bit and even using, but DON'T remove the sawscrews unless you absolutely have to. They were intended as a permanent fixing, and are (I gather) very difficult to reinstall satisfactorily if removed. No need if the handle's secure and tight, though.
 
Blimey, where do I start!

Many thanks to everyone for the welcome, very glad I found this site. I think I may have been a cabinet maker in a previous life, wood and old tools stirs something within my grey matter, it's a pity that I don't remember how to use them :lol:

Thanks also to the 'locals', and I thought I was the only one. Cowbridge is our postal address though in reality we are situated in the wilderness between Cowbridge and Bridgend.

Cheers Cheshirechappie (try saying that when you've had a few) for the info on the maker. It wasn't a name I was familiar with and I hadn't found much on the net. The blade bears an impressed mark, I've only looked close enough to gain the basic information, I'll have a look again to see what it says exactly.
So it's old then, but it must have led a very sheltered life. It was the condition which drew me to it, the inline slots on the nuts reminiscent of the cabinet maker's habit of lining up screw slots, also the blade condition. I wonder if it has ever been sharpened, all the teeth are perfect shape. The handle is secure so I'm not going to be the first to meddle with it!

To change the subject . . . . the 'clamp' is a vice? Could anyone describe how or where it would have been secured or was it a mobile model. The two larger holes (below the handle in pic) are through holes and bear the marks of washers so it could have been mounted through those?I think I've worked out how it works with the addition of a pin in one of the holes in the flat bar. The other side of the screw is the business end as the jaws are lined with metal which is just visible in the picture.

Once again, many thanks to all.
 
Hello and welcome swb 58 from another near woodworker , nice to see another local on the forum.Did you buy these from a car boot sale ? If so which one ?

Cheers Bern :D
 
Welcome Swb58, You sure got a couple of good first gloats in. Love the ripper , am short one of those , western style that is. I use a hard point Irwin Japanesealike. Works pretty well actually , though not real gloatable. You should be able to scratch any previous life itches here , as this forum sports loads of great folk with answers to questions both common and obscure.
 
Cheshirechappie":1xy0e82x said:
Looking at the saw, the split sawscrews make it pre-1920, and the general handle and blade shape suggest pre-1900. If it's got an etch, it's post 1850. If the blade has an impressed stamping, it's pre-1850.

Does this apply to all saws? I recently picked up a Tyzack Sons and Turner backsaw which has split nuts and, compared with more modern saws, a very ornate handle.
 
whiskywill":bpjbo6v9 said:
Cheshirechappie":bpjbo6v9 said:
Looking at the saw, the split sawscrews make it pre-1920, and the general handle and blade shape suggest pre-1900. If it's got an etch, it's post 1850. If the blade has an impressed stamping, it's pre-1850.

Does this apply to all saws? I recently picked up a Tyzack Sons and Turner backsaw which has split nuts and, compared with more modern saws, a very ornate handle.

The best summary of general saw-dating information I know of is this one - http://www.backsaw.net/timeline/ . Obviously, tracing the dates a manufacturer was operating can help too sometimes, though some (like Tyzack Sons and Turner) operated for a very long time. Handle shape is a more difficult one to pin down, but in general they became more simplified and less ornate after about 1900 - I'm speculating a bit, but I suspect that was a reaction to stiff competition from imported saws by Disston, which it seems to me developed less ornate handles sooner than Sheffield did - abont the 1880s or thereabouts.
 
Good evening.

Great information with those links, cheers. For a few years I've been educating myself with the finer details of a particular type of vehicle (rivet counting as it's known) so I shouldn't be surprised that there are details to look out for in a saw. But I am.
A little more info from today, if anyone is interested in the finer points then I'm glad to share.

First off a picture of the name stamp. I've now seen the harp trademark which is above the name. It features in the later posters (as linked to earlier) so I don't know if that's a dating feature. Whilst looking at the Timeline it reminded me that it does a have a medallion. Haven't looked closely at it. It is 26" long with 4.5 tpi.

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I also noticed this 'gunsight', about two inches from the toe. Any thoughts?

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I had to give my vice a bit of TLC. It holds a can of Waxoyl down very well.

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Coming by these bits was totally a case of being in the right place at the right time, something that doesn't normally happen to me. My brother had gone to see the guy about a car initially, then it just sort of progressed into some other bits that he was looking to clear . . . . . which is where I started to take notice.
 
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