Let down by Axminster Tools

UKworkshop.co.uk

Help Support UKworkshop.co.uk:

paulrbarnard

Established Member
Joined
5 Mar 2017
Messages
932
Reaction score
996
Location
Shepton Mallet, UK
I'm in the middle of a birthday present build for my wife. She is especially fond of very fine dovetails so I have gone overboard on that and cutting pins that are only 4 to 5mm wide at the wide end. Unfortunately I don't have a chisel small enough to par out the waste. I looked at Axminster Tools and they advertised an Axminster Rider 3mm Bevel edged chisel. Just what I need! I ordered and paid for fast delivery as I only have a couple of weekends to go and the chisel just arrived. It is 3mm but not bevel edged. It's a firmer/mortice chisel. It even has a leather shock washer between the handle and the blade. It is completely unsuitable for paring out dovetails. Even more annoying is that I have both a 3mm firmer and a 3mm morticing chisel.

I've raised a ticket with their support so I will wait to see how they deal with this but not being able to correctly identify a bevel edged chisel is fairly poor
 

JefL

Established Member
Joined
6 Apr 2017
Messages
24
Reaction score
21
Location
Bristol
My original (1970s) set of Marples blue chip chisels came with the 1/8” chisel with no bevels, the chisel is just too narrow to have them at the size it is made (to match the rest of the set).
Axminter’s illustration of the Rider 3mm “bevel edged” chisel clearly shows no bevels, it looks exactly like my 1/8” blue chip.

Jef
 

JefL

Established Member
Joined
6 Apr 2017
Messages
24
Reaction score
21
Location
Bristol
Ashley Iles bevel edge chisel does have bevels in 3mm. They also do a dedicated dovetail chisel in 3mm that appears to be rounded rather than bevelled.
Both however are 3 times the price of a Rider:oops:

Jef
 

paulrbarnard

Established Member
Joined
5 Mar 2017
Messages
932
Reaction score
996
Location
Shepton Mallet, UK
My original (1970s) set of Marples blue chip chisels came with the 1/8” chisel with no bevels, the chisel is just too narrow to have them at the size it is made (to match the rest of the set).
Axminter’s illustration of the Rider 3mm “bevel edged” chisel clearly shows no bevels, it looks exactly like my 1/8” blue chip.

Jef
I didn't look closely at the pictures, I ordered on my iphone... I have looked now on my computer and see that the specific picture of the 3mm has square edges. Every other picture of the Rider Bevel Edge Chisels show bevel edges, even the four additional images you see when looking at the 3mm.
 

eribaMotters

Established Member
Joined
12 Feb 2010
Messages
584
Reaction score
251
Location
Formby, Merseyside
Two points:-
- If it says bevel edge then it should be a bevel edge, so it has been incorrectly sold
- Can you not grind a bevel on the sides of one of your existing firmer or mortice chisels. I did this some years ago when I was cutting fine dovetails.

Colin
 

adidat

I will not buy anymore tools...
Joined
6 Nov 2009
Messages
2,574
Reaction score
47
Location
sunny somerset!
Maybe change the title of this post to,

"I purchased the wrong tool after seeing a picture of it. Hold on whilst I throw my teddies out the pram. And make a big fuss over nothing"

on a forum that has hundreds of post describing axminster's excellent customer service.

Adidat
 

baldkev

Established Member
Joined
29 Apr 2020
Messages
1,510
Reaction score
671
Location
devon
I would go with colin and run it across a bench grinder. A bit of a shame, but at least you'll be up and running quickly....
 

mikej460

Established Member
Joined
19 Jan 2019
Messages
1,282
Reaction score
935
Location
Daventry
Maybe change the title of this post to,

"I purchased the wrong tool after seeing a picture of it. Hold on whilst I throw my teddies out the pram. And make a big fuss over nothing"

on a forum that has hundreds of post describing axminster's excellent customer service.

Adidat
That's a bit harsh, I agree that a bevel edge should be a bevel edge not a bevelled firmer. I fell into this trap many years ago with Axminster they should describe it correctly as the photos aren't clear enough.
 

D_W

Established Member
Joined
24 Aug 2015
Messages
9,517
Reaction score
1,912
Location
PA, US
There won't be that many of that size that are finely ground. The cross section becomes so small that the chisels are flexible without side support and can't be easily ground by a machine. Just grind the sides just enough to get the relief you need.

(Looks like I should've read the responses first)
 

Keith Cocker

Established Member
Joined
27 Jan 2021
Messages
150
Reaction score
146
Location
Lancashire
I'm in the middle of a birthday present build for my wife. She is especially fond of very fine dovetails so I have gone overboard on that and cutting pins that are only 4 to 5mm wide at the wide end. Unfortunately I don't have a chisel small enough to par out the waste. I looked at Axminster Tools and they advertised an Axminster Rider 3mm Bevel edged chisel. Just what I need! I ordered and paid for fast delivery as I only have a couple of weekends to go and the chisel just arrived. It is 3mm but not bevel edged. It's a firmer/mortice chisel. It even has a leather shock washer between the handle and the blade. It is completely unsuitable for paring out dovetails. Even more annoying is that I have both a 3mm firmer and a 3mm morticing chisel.

I've raised a ticket with their support so I will wait to see how they deal with this but not being able to correctly identify a bevel edged chisel is fairly poor

I have placed dozens and dozens of orders with Axminster. I can only remember one time they made a mistake. A quick call to them and it was put right straight away with no fuss.
 

martin.pearson

Established Member
Joined
20 Sep 2021
Messages
233
Reaction score
106
Location
Cowdenbeath Scotland
I've had mostly good but one bad experience so, unfortunately, I can't say their Customer service is excellent as I would like to be able to. at one time I would have automatically recommended them but I don't anymore.
 
Last edited:

Argus

Established Member
Joined
21 Oct 2002
Messages
1,482
Reaction score
281
Location
.
Meanwhile, back to the OP's original Axy-grump.....

I recall that Lie-Nielsen offer (offered?) a 1/8" bevel edge chisel. It does have a bevel of sorts to qualify for that description, and it's exactly 1/8 inch wide, but the cross-section is more of a Firmer-chisel shape with some of the sides relieved. It is quite a chunky chisel - it has to be to avoid the inevitable flexing of the thinner sides. I have a full set of those given to me when I did a favour for an old friend and it is the single chisel in that clutch of blades that remained unused.

I'm reminded of a quip in one of Jim Kingshott's dovetail making videos (a few years ago now..... Kingshott was pre-Paul Sellers video-maker), where he said, with a grin and a tongue in the cheek, that the old timers made the smallest, tightest dovetails, by "putting the saw in the slot and wigglin' it about a bit".

 

Cabinetman

Established Member
Joined
5 Jan 2017
Messages
2,704
Reaction score
1,524
Location
lincolnshire Wolds
Presumably the timber that is having these very fine dovetails cut into it, is in itself not very thick so you will only need to grind a very small portion of the chisel anyway.
 

paulrbarnard

Established Member
Joined
5 Mar 2017
Messages
932
Reaction score
996
Location
Shepton Mallet, UK
Meanwhile, back to the OP's original Axy-grump.....

I recall that Lie-Nielsen offer (offered?) a 1/8" bevel edge chisel. It does have a bevel of sorts to qualify for that description, and it's exactly 1/8 inch wide, but the cross-section is more of a Firmer-chisel shape with some of the sides relieved. It is quite a chunky chisel - it has to be to avoid the inevitable flexing of the thinner sides. I have a full set of those given to me when I did a favour for an old friend and it is the single chisel in that clutch of blades that remained unused.

I'm reminded of a quip in one of Jim Kingshott's dovetail making videos (a few years ago now..... Kingshott was pre-Paul Sellers video-maker), where he said, with a grin and a tongue in the cheek, that the old timers made the smallest, tightest dovetails, by "putting the saw in the slot and wigglin' it about a bit".

I've done that with softwoods but this is a bit of hard maple so no deforming as the pins and tails go together. I'm a bit peeved by it all because i could have left the boards a tad thicker (slimed for aesthetics) and my existing chisels would have been fine.
 

LJM

Established Member
Joined
27 Aug 2012
Messages
499
Reaction score
154
Location
Cheshire
Yes grinding would be simple enough and it wouldn't need much side relief.

If you’d rather not grind that new one, I’m about to put a bunch of chisels up for sale, including a nice 1/8 one. It would need grinding too, but less of a loss if anything goes wrong! PM if you’re interested in my chisel.
 

powertools

Established Member
Joined
7 Jun 2011
Messages
1,839
Reaction score
215
Location
Bedfordshire
I'm in the middle of a birthday present build for my wife. She is especially fond of very fine dovetails so I have gone overboard on that and cutting pins that are only 4 to 5mm wide at the wide end. Unfortunately I don't have a chisel small enough to par out the waste. I looked at Axminster Tools and they advertised an Axminster Rider 3mm Bevel edged chisel. Just what I need! I ordered and paid for fast delivery as I only have a couple of weekends to go and the chisel just arrived. It is 3mm but not bevel edged. It's a firmer/mortice chisel. It even has a leather shock washer between the handle and the blade. It is completely unsuitable for paring out dovetails. Even more annoying is that I have both a 3mm firmer and a 3mm morticing chisel.

I've raised a ticket with their support so I will wait to see how they deal with this but not being able to correctly identify a bevel edged chisel is fairly poor


Trust me if your wife has an upcoming birthday very fine dovetails will not be at the top of her wish list.
 
Top