I'm Gone

[tomatwark]

Noel

I am not going to name the thread I am referring to as it will only cause another unnecessary argument as I am sure that it was not intended to break any rules.


If however I thought something was a obivious marketing ploy I would.

Tom

PS

AYE

 

[powertools]

I'm new round here and I accept that my opinion will not count for much.
I have learnt alot from other members and have enjoyed reading much of the pointless banter
I accept that there rules that the site owners can and will apply as they see fit but without contriversal members and members who maybe even without thinking push the rules to the limit this place could become quite boring.
For Bob to feel strongly enough to say he is gone and for others to say they feel strongly enough that unless another member is banned they will also go is not the best way for things to go.

 

[CHJ]

By the way, in a thread regarding setting up a website im indirectly in breach of section 8.

Yes it had already been noted by the mod team as have several others, as has been mentioned in rules notes etc. it's down to individual posts and perceived intent, judgement calls are never black and white.

 

[Doug B]

You will be missed round here Bob Reconsider.

 

[Jacob]

Yes Bob. I haven't personally followed your stuff but others seem to rate it, so don't go off in a huff!
NB It's a recurrent problem, the difference between trade and personal, and there's no clear dividing line.

 

[monkeybiter]

I don't think any member should be given special privileges and the same rules should be applied, to the same degree, to all.

The forum relies on the unpaid work of the mods and their efforts will always be under-appreciated.

However I think if someone can spend enough time to make a decision to remove a post, and then do so, it is wrong to then not spend sixty more seconds to send a pm to the OP with at least a basic and brief explanation.

 

[gardenshed]

Bob's been around on this forum long enough to know the rules. He broke them, the mods correctly sorted it.
Bob's thrown his toys out the pram, we've all done it at some time or other in our lives...........inc me

Lets move on :lol:

 

[doorframe]

Bob, your membership 'level' is stated as Valued Contributor, and that couldn't be more right. As far as I can see, you've given more good, helpful AND hands-on help to the members here than anybody else. This forum and it's members will be the loser if you really go. I hope you reconsider.

I do have sympathy with regards to over zealous modding. I found myself on Warning Level DEFCON 1 for not observing a rule specifically for the For Sale section when I was actually posting on the Chit-Chat section! A rule, incidently, that others (including a Mod) are 'breaking' in this actual thread!

However, I do also have some sympathy for the mods, as, having modded a (music) forum a few years ago, I know what a pain it can be. I had to delete spam/porn almost every time I logged on and some of the posts I deleted did meet with an unfavorable response (not the porn ones!!). Some of my co-mods did tend to act like Car-Park-Attendents on steroids, but most acted fairly.

As others have stated, a quick explanation when a post is deleted would go a long way to keeping harmony.

My 2 penneth worth. DEFCON 2, here we come!!! (hammer)

Roy

 

[Noel]

I don't think any member should be given special privileges and the same rules should be applied, to the same degree, to all.

The forum relies on the unpaid work of the mods and their efforts will always be under-appreciated.

However I think if someone can spend enough time to make a decision to remove a post, and then do so, it is wrong to then not spend sixty more seconds to send a pm to the OP with at least a basic and brief explanation.

Mike, it's not a question of having to take 60 secs or so or whatever to send a PM. The sheer volume of time and effort that would entail across all boards on a daily basis isn't realistic . That would effectively double the workload. I don't think any of the posters, especially the OP, has any idea what's needed to run this place and run it in the manner that will, hopefully, be acceptable to the majority of members. I personally have encouraged this approach where members can come to us with a problem or an issue over a mod decision rather have to send out numerous PMs every day. It's not difficult to do and frankly it balances up the effort and time that the mod team put it. Most people who contact us over something like this don't have a problem taking that approach. Don't forget there's plenty of other "housework" that adds to the daily workload. The rules and guidelines are there for a reason and it's in every member's interests to read them. If they fail to do that there's little than can be done.

Bob, I'm sure you've read all the responses so far, any comments?

 

[Modernist]

I think for a forum such as this to end up losing such a "Valued Contributor" as 9 clearly points to a breakdown in or absence of suitable procedures. After all, unlike some of us (being a previous unrepentant bannee myself ) he is not normally contentious or anything other than incredibly knowledgeable and helpful.

Baby and bathwater spring to mind and mods should not lose sight of the fact that what they are moderating is a discussion forum not a Sunday School. Without animated and sometimes heated discussion, forums die and it is notable that since moderation got heavier elsewhere, having been set up to be the opposite, posts have dwindled to a trickle.

When these situations arise rules, such as discussing the mods decision are banned, only inflame the situation and smack of authoritarianism - the opposite of a good forum.

Time for some maturing of the rules me-thinks.

 

[stoatyboy]

Sad when people go but lets remember how much value the mods give to the forum - without them there isn't one here or anywhere else.

I'd put a clappy smilie in for them at this point if I knew how!

we're none of us perfect and I'm not in a position to comment on the post that caused upset but feel the mods do a difficult job pretty well on the whole - so there

Cheers

 

[Noel]

I think for a forum such as this to end up losing such a "Valued Contributor" as 9 clearly points to a breakdown in or absence of suitable procedures. After all, unlike some of us (being a previous unrepentant bannee myself ) he is not normally contentious or anything other than incredibly knowledgeable and helpful.

Baby and bathwater spring to mind and mods should not lose sight of the fact that what they are moderating is a discussion forum not a Sunday School. Without animated and sometimes heated discussion, forums die and it is notable that since moderation got heavier elsewhere, having been set up to be the opposite, posts have dwindled to a trickle.

When these situations arise rules, such as , only inflame the situation and smack of authoritarianism - the opposite of a good forum.

Time for some maturing of the rules me-thinks.

Brian, ref bold text in your quote. I said some time ago that the forum should become more inclusive and try and move away from the way it was run by some previous mods and this thread clearly demonstrates that. As for "discussing the mods decision are banned" etc isn't that what we are doing here? It doesn't happen all the time but it does happen.

 

[Lons]

I sincerely hope you don't leave Bob. You have masses of support on this forum and you are without doubt the calibre of member this forum needs.

If you do go, I'll make a point of keeping up with your "antics" on 'tother side.

Bob

 

[Modernist]

Brian, ref bold text in your quote. I said some time ago that the forum should become more inclusive and try and move away from the way it was run by some previous mods and this thread clearly demonstrates that. As for "discussing the mods decision are banned" etc isn't that what we are doing here? It doesn't happen all the time but it does happen.

First point - good, very welcome.

Second point yes but would you be prepared to see us discussing it amongst ourselves i.e not with a mod. After all the mods could make their points in such discussions and it might show up useful ways of resolving problems. It's the draconian nature of the "Ban" which inflames me. In fact it is what got me banned myself

 

[Noel]

Brian, ref bold text in your quote. I said some time ago that the forum should become more inclusive and try and move away from the way it was run by some previous mods and this thread clearly demonstrates that. As for "discussing the mods decision are banned" etc isn't that what we are doing here? It doesn't happen all the time but it does happen.

First point - good, very welcome.

Second point yes but would you be prepared to see us discussing it amongst ourselves i.e not with a mod. After all the mods could make their points in such discussions and it might show up useful ways of resolving problems. It's the draconian nature of the "Ban" which inflames me. In fact it is what got me banned myself

And who banned you? And when? Don't answer that Times have moved on. I don't believe there's anything draconian about the forum these days.
Sure, we can try that sort of discussion on an experimental basis. Start a thread about it. It might work, it might not.

 

[Modernist]

Brian, ref bold text in your quote. I said some time ago that the forum should become more inclusive and try and move away from the way it was run by some previous mods and this thread clearly demonstrates that. As for "discussing the mods decision are banned" etc isn't that what we are doing here? It doesn't happen all the time but it does happen.

First point - good, very welcome.

Second point yes but would you be prepared to see us discussing it amongst ourselves i.e not with a mod. After all the mods could make their points in such discussions and it might show up useful ways of resolving problems. It's the draconian nature of the "Ban" which inflames me. In fact it is what got me banned myself

And who banned you? And when? Don't answer that Times have moved on. I don't believe there's anything draconian about the forum these days.
Sure, we can try that sort of discussion on an experimental basis. Start a thread about it. It might work, it might not.

Fine by me but lets not lose the electo-wizard for an apparently unintentional breach of the rules on a subject which clearly interests many.

 

[Chems]

I think the thing of not enough time to send pm's is true, but moderators are free, there are countless old hat forum members who could be doing the rounds amongst their normal browsing, there's only 3 of you to 8000 of us of which at least 5% of us post!

 

[Hudson Carpentry]

Solutions.

More mods

More mods with specific roles like removing posts/threads and PMing. While waiting for a higher mod to make a decision.

A coded mod that sends out a courtesy PM when you remove a thread / post using a drop down menu in the same screen as the move thread/post screen

 

[CHJ]

Solutions.

A coded mod that sends out a courtesy PM when you remove a thread / post using a drop down menu in the same screen as the move thread/post screen

Will look into that HC.

 

[Hudson Carpentry]

If there isn't one ill be happy to make one!