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I lived and worked in west London for London underground and one thing i learned from being in such a cultural miss match is that people don't seem to like other people.

And if they can find a reason without getting to know them then so much the better.

It's sad it happened, even sadder that filming it seemed more important than stopping it.
 
What I don't understand about it is why the bus driver didn't hike her off the bus when she was told and didn't stop? Or if he hasn't the authority to do so then a radio call to his boss and off to the police. I know that if it had been me doing the harassing I would have been in deep pony poo!
 
Jonzjob":2912sycz said:
I know that if it had been me doing the harassing I would have been in deep pony poo!

No you don't. You think that you know, but you weren't there, you weren't harassing anyone so you can't know what would have happened, it's pure speculation.
 
Sporky McGuffin":mrwfaxx1 said:
Jonzjob":mrwfaxx1 said:
I know that if it had been me doing the harassing I would have been in deep pony poo!

No you don't. You think that you know, but you weren't there, you weren't harassing anyone so you can't know what would have happened, it's pure speculation.
You were quite happy (along with Jacob) to do the same on another thread a few days ago. :? You can't have it all ways.
 
People lose their tempers all the time, quite often what they kick off about, isn't what is really bothering them.

Perhaps her old man didn't put the bin out, for the one million and oneth time that morning and these unfortunate Muslims had to suffer an ear bashing.

Non event, nobody died, nobody got hurt.
 
Jonzjob":3157k1t4 said:
What I don't understand about it is why the bus driver didn't hike her off the bus when she was told and didn't stop? Or if he hasn't the authority to do so then a radio call to his boss and off to the police. I know that if it had been me doing the harassing I would have been in deep pony poo!

If I was the driver I would have given her an ultimatum - get off or I'll get the station base to call out the police for a public disturbance.
 
phil.p":126wywrp said:
You were quite happy (along with Jacob) to do the same on another thread a few days ago. :? You can't have it all ways.

Nonsense - stop whining, and don't accuse me of something I've not done. It's rude and makes you look daft.

Challenging prejudice is a societal duty.
 
I'm not whining, merely stating a point. You criticise someone for commenting on something they knew nothing about, when you were quite happy on another thread to do exactly the same. I wasn't being rude, just pointing out your inconsistency.
 
Getting back to the incident, this just proves the sheer lunacy of the claim that non whites can't be guilty of racism. Although technically she is being prejudiced as racism by definition is to do with a deliberate social view supported by authority such as appartheid or the jewish question in nazi germany. but as the majority fail to understand this they call it racist, when in fact she is really being relligist. She should have been escorted off the bus or as per normal bus company rules either take to the nearest police station or as stated earlier the driver should have called for them.
This woman will be recognised and identified at some point and when she is, it's more than likely the MET will be put under severe pressure for her to be prosecuted.
 
Droogs":38ybs3uf said:
Getting back to the incident, this just proves the sheer lunacy of the claim that non whites can't be guilty of racism. Although technically she is being prejudiced as racism by definition is to do with a deliberate social view supported by authority such as appartheid or the jewish question in nazi germany. but as the majority fail to understand this they call it racist, when in fact she is really being relligist. She should have been escorted off the bus or as per normal bus company rules either take to the nearest police station or as stated earlier the driver should have called for them.
This woman will be recognised and identified at some point and when she is, it's more than likely the MET will be put under severe pressure for her to be prosecuted.
Nonsense. Nobody has ever claimed that non whites can't be guilty of racism.
I suppose it's difficult sometimes to distinguish between a nutter having a rant (you might feel sorry for them) and somebody being really unacceptably unpleasant. A test would be how upsetting it was to the audience, especially the target.
We used to have a nutter who would often rant and wave his arms about in the local bus station but nobody could understand what he was saying and everybody ignored him.
 
Droogs":km07k7pw said:
Getting back to the incident, this just proves the sheer lunacy of the claim that non whites can't be guilty of racism.

Unfortunately, that was my first thought as well - which is pretty sad, to be honest. I'd much rather be disgusted at some berk's poor behaviour on a bus than be disgusted at idiot pseudointellectuals.

I've not seen the video, and maybe she's amazingly hateful and vitriolic and goes about threatening people on the bus with death and so on - but I doubt it from the writeup. So It's also kind of sad for this woman that these pseudointellectuals have led us to the point where she's most likely being videoed and pointed out specifically because she's from an ethnic minority and is being racist, and thus she's probably far more likely to get identified and arrested and charged than ten other white people who were saying racist things about middle-eastern muslims on the bus that day that everyone just ignored.

Droogs":km07k7pw said:
This woman will be recognised and identified at some point and when she is, it's more than likely the MET will be put under severe pressure for her to be prosecuted.

In fact, it looks like it's already happened:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34564901




Jacob":km07k7pw said:
Nonsense. Nobody has ever claimed that non whites can't be guilty of racism.

Unfortunately it would only have taken a quick google search to determine that you are sadly and idealistically dead wrong on this one.

Here's some easy examples:

A woman in this article makes the case for black people not being racist and then goes on to blame white people for Idi Amin victimising asians...
This ex-Ken Livingstone-aide states clearly that black people in the UK cannot be racist.
This Everyday Feminism article takes a slightly more nuanced approach, drawing a line between "racism" and "racial prejudice", but still reaches the same conclusion.

and that's just from the first page of Google results.

Maybe what you meant was "nobody sane has ever claimed that non-whites can't be guilty of racism", but the sad fact is that there are a hell of a lot of people around who do in fact make that claim.

It started out in sociology, where they defined racism, sexism and other -isms as "power plus privilege", defining the awful behaviour of the dominating group in a social situation as inherently worse than the awful behaviour of the dominated group. Which is quite reasonable, bigotry with the ability to act upon it is obviously more damaging than powerless bigotry. By that definition, in the context of sociological studies - sure, it's not possible for a black person to be specifically in the "racist" category as opposed to "racially prejudiced" or "bigoted" or whatever else you want to call it. Unfortunately that's led to a lot of young people taught by these sociologists - who seem to largely have taken over American academia and started infesting our own - believing that the statement also holds by the everyday common-use and dictionary definition of the word "racist" where you just hate/discriminate against people for being a different race. The first time I came across all of this was seeing a black person use racial epithets against white people and then claim that her behaviour is perfectly fine "because black people can't be racist".
 
I think Water Mark hits it on the head, a lot of people just don't like other people and will use any excuse to justify their bad/unacceptable behaviour; racism just happens to be one of the easier excuses to use.

Part of my day job is making the decision whether or not we proceed with an eviction against tenants in one of the large portfolios we manage in London. I get accused of racism 9 times out of 10 where the tenant is non white but never yet where it's a white tenant, yet they are all evicted for the main primary reason of not paying their rent and the numbers are fairly similar. I know I haven't acted in a racist manner, and I'm pretty sure some of them don't really think I have but it's such an easy term to toss into the ring that they'll do it without a second thought.

Is it because I'm a white male? In some cases yes but mostly they don't like to accept the fact that they have caused the situation themselves so need to blame someone else
 
Most prejudice is borne out of fear. We are fed a diet of anti Muslim propaganda in the media. We are told we should fear the Muslim community when in fact what we should fear is a small radicalised minority.

I have the ability to dislike anyone but I hope I dislike the person not their appearance.

Mick
 
Random Orbital Bob":20qu7dhl said:
Jacob":20qu7dhl said:
We used to have a nutter who would often rant and wave his arms about but nobody could understand what he was saying and everybody ignored him.

......remind the forum of anyone :)
Do you mean Bugbear? He's not that bad!
 
MickCheese":25kqncl6 said:
Most prejudice is borne out of fear. We are fed a diet of anti Muslim propaganda in the media. We are told we should fear the Muslim community when in fact what we should fear is a small radicalised minority.

...........

Mick
Even that fear is a bit exaggerated. We had 7/7 and a few other minor incidents but nothing compared to the IRA. In America far more people are killed by gun nutters than terrorists even if you include 9/11. Not sure what the figures are but I expect it's in the 100s times more, if not 1000s
 
Sporky McGuffin":2ir0w9vf said:
Jonzjob":2ir0w9vf said:
I know that if it had been me doing the harassing I would have been in deep pony poo!

No you don't. You think that you know, but you weren't there, you weren't harassing anyone so you can't know what would have happened, it's pure speculation.
In fact there was an incident recently where a gang of twats were far more insulting and threatening in an attack on a woman wearing a hijab. Nobody intervened, nothing. It barely got reported.
I don't know why this particular loudmouth on a bus has attracted so much interest. jonzjob says "Makes you wonder don't it? Makes you wonder what?
 
Jacob":1ab3t0d6 said:
MickCheese":1ab3t0d6 said:
Most prejudice is borne out of fear. We are fed a diet of anti Muslim propaganda in the media. We are told we should fear the Muslim community when in fact what we should fear is a small radicalised minority.

...........

Mick
Even that fear is a bit exaggerated. We had 7/7 and a few other minor incidents but nothing compared to the IRA. In America far more people are killed by gun nutters than terrorists even if you include 9/11. Not sure what the figures are but I expect it's in the 100s times more, if not 1000s

Do your research, sunshine. People killed in 9/11 - approx 3000.

People killed due to gun crime - approx 30,000

That is 10 times. Not 100. Not 1000's.

You really MUST stop reading the Daily Mail, Jacob.
 
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