How would you rate the UK's handling of this pandemic?

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Please can you tell me why 700 healthcare professionals have died from Covid, but there have been no reports of hundreds of such deaths in bad flu seasons......yet you argue Covid is no worse than flu.

There is only two possible scenarios:

1. You can provide evidence of similar deaths of healthcare professionals from flu

2. You can't and admit that your claim "Covid is no worse than flu" is simply unfounded.

Which is it?

Maybe it's the pickup?
 
I'm talking about intent (no that's not camping). Thought I would throw a joke in here because you are obviously having a laugh.:LOL:
Seriously, change my mind, show me that I am wrong to think that every death that can be avoided should be? I like a challenge to my own world views, maybe I am wrong?

Do you drive? driving involves risk of death. By not driving you avoid the risk of dying. Do you ban driving?
 
Tell me how many healthcare workers have died of covid since July of covid and of other causes please Strawman.

It's not as bad as flu for a lot of people. It is for some.

ha ha ha

The people arguing "Covid is no worse than flu" .....can't answer why so many healthcare workers have died from Covid.


"It's not as bad as flu for a lot of people. It is for some"

Seriously?..... what a totally meaningless comment.
 
Do you drive? driving involves risk of death. By not driving you avoid the risk of dying. Do you ban driving?

False premise

You are making the utterly false argument that lockdown is simply wrecking the economy for the sake of a few old people.

But no lockdown would result in more non Covid deaths and just as much economic damage.



You won't respond because you have no counter argument.......you just want to continue your dishonest argument unchallenged.
 
One is my phone login, and one is my computer no big conspiracy
Thanks for clarifying - it's the fact that there is a forum rule saying we are supposed to only have one log in each that confused me

Have a good day and do (both?) stay safe.

:unsure:;) I am now wondering if @Rorschach and @RobinBHM are the same person using their phone and pc as their views are soooo similar. (Just joking guys!)
 
So would you advocate we pare back on geriatric care via the NHS and funding new children’s hospitals in Bangladesh?

No. Because it isn't our concern to fund Bangladesh really.

You may believe in unicorns etc but people do not live for ever. Death is always rubbish in the end. Even the people in care homes who died of covid didn't die because they coughed to death etc. The immune system becomes so weak people can expire from a lack of water even.
 
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Why do you keep repeating something that is wrong?

Covid is not yet seasonal.

Please stop repeating something that is untrue.

It is defintely seasonal. It could not be more obvious that it is.

Look at the infection rates in places where they didn't lockdown. Even here its obvious looking at the ebb and flow of it
 
When have hospitals been overwhelmed by flu to the same extent?
Please tell me which year

Please note, that's despite the vulnerable shielding etc etc

1999.

Though of course most were too busy planning their new millenium celebrations to bother coming on forums to vent their spleens that year.

There were 40,000 over winter deaths (one winter) and 20,000 attributed to flu. Though of course without mass testing the death from flu figure could have been far higher.

All under a Labour government, maybe that was why there were so few calls for a lockdown ?

That with a vaccine available since the 1940's.
 
One is my phone login, and one is my computer no big conspiracy

Mod hat on, firmly:

You have broken a very important rule which usually results in severe sanctions (all accounts banned).
Please choose which account you are going to use as only one account is allowed. The other account will be deactivated. It is vital to the members and staff that you make it known that you have one username and one account.
 
What is the psychology that drives people to think their research is better than the governments?
I think this is the most interesting question in this thread - not so much why punters (rather than specialists in the field) should doubt governments, but why they would doubt the consensus of expert opinion on a global scale and feel confident enough to repeatedly assert their 'findings' as truth. A few days scratching around the net and lo and behold, you're in a position to contradict that expert opinion, and attempt to convince people to not believe it. And we're not talking about whether the earth is round or flat, which all in all, makes very little difference to most of us; we're talking about life and death.
My guess is it's something to do with a 'my opinion's as good as anyone's' culture, a disregard for learning and proper understanding, fuelled by the availability of all kinds of nonsense on the internet. Oh, and the 'sheeple' thing - wanting to imagine you see through what others aren't smart enough to see through, but in fact having not put in the years of hard work to know what you're on about.
 
It’s easy in hindsight to criticise the government’s handling of this problem but how would you have have done it ? , opinions are like bum holes we all have one .
When we first heard about this strain of Corona virus and saw on the news people dying in the streets in China It gave good reason for concern but this hasn’t happened anywhere else in the world since so it made me very sceptical about the severity of the problem initially.
The government could have put the troops on the streets and closed the country to overseas travelers for a month and in theory it would have stopped the virus spreading but that would mean quarantining every one entering the Uk until the virus was eradicated worldwide ,that’s something that would never have been accepted or achievable.
Mr Johnson could have gone with herd immunity which would have probably overwhelmed the NHS and initially cost more lives hitting mainly the old and vulnerable even harder and in theory we would have been over it and possibly saved the economy, but we would still need to quarantine and control who entered the country .

Our situation can’t be compared to countrys like NZ a country bigger than the Uk with a population less than that of London or Australia 32 times bigger than the UK with a population of around 24 million, so taking into consideration that many people have shown utter contempt for the virus and the governments efforts to control it, I personally think the government have done about the best they could given the attitude of many and the unprecedented circumstances the found themselves in.
Also the recording of people dying with it rather than from it is wrong, it gives people the impression that Covid19 alone killed over 100k people which even the experts admit is wrong , Covid alone may have been the cause in a much smaller percentage of the deaths,It’s almost like they are trying to justify the actions they are taking.

Both my wife and daughter are frontline NHS workers at different hospitals ,my wife is a advanced practitioner in cancer treatment and my daughter is a clinical educator and Sister on ICU so they are dealing with this very real virus on a daily basis .
So in my pointless opinion the Government and it’s advisors are doing ok 👍.
 

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Mod hat on, firmly:

You have broken a very important rule which usually results in severe sanctions (all accounts banned).
Please choose which account you are going to use as only one account is allowed. The other account will be deactivated. It is vital to the members and staff that you make it known that you have one username and one account.

But wierdly I use the same email for both and they both alert me for the same messages. So its not that I have two usernames and accounts. I definitely only have one. I think its more a quirk of the software when I changed my name from Selly to Selwyn
 
This is what happens when the C19 deniers/conspiracists/it's only flu/bit of a cold people have an audience. Not directed at anybody here but I couldn't believe how thick and stupid this guy and his 2 fellow nutters are. Anti-botics? If that was his only mistake.....



The patient was apparently sedated and put into an induced coma some time after this encounter. The main bloke is apparently well known for saying such things as: "........... there is no evidence that Covid-1984 exists or indeed any proof that SARS-CoV-2 causes it. Now call me a liar "

It came as no surprise at all to discover that this nutter lives in Barming...:p
He has quite a history of being loopy if you do a bit of Googling. His behaviour (and worse, the behaviour of those who have "radicalised"/"groomed" him via online media) is utterly reprehensible.
 
I think when you get to care home stage it's more important to have a good death or as good and dignified death as possible rather than seeking to prolong life particularly.

Is this a controversial view nowadays?
I always remember some advert which said "A dignified walk to the pavilion" to describe end of life. A dignified life, a dignified death is all we can hope for.

Controversial?
  • I support euthanasia "the practice of intentionally ending a life to relieve pain and suffering" (although how you safe guard against abuses is another discussion).
  • I support population control (this is the big one, no one wants to face) through education & eradicating poverty (look up the web site Population matters, David Attenborough).
  • I support environmental laws, and animal protection.
  • I support Amnesty International.

But what I support most is your right to live or die.
If you set a criteria, then don't be shocked if one day a criteria is set for you that you might not like. Health care should not be a lottery, or a decision for someone else to make, it's your right. It is not as simple as saying it is that persons time to die, everything else has to be brought into context.
 
But wierdly I use the same email for both and they both alert me for the same messages. So its not that I have two usernames and accounts. I definitely only have one. I think its more a quirk of the software when I changed my name from Selly to Selwyn

And somehow you managed to not notice two usernames? One will go now. If you find you cannot access the one account you are left with it’ll be a temporary situation, most likely....
 
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