That doesn't help with what Noel said, that article just states she has a different point of view, it doesn't bring into question her academic credentials.Start here Sunetra Gupta: Covid-19 is on the way out - UnHerd note the date.
That doesn't help with what Noel said, that article just states she has a different point of view, it doesn't bring into question her academic credentials.Start here Sunetra Gupta: Covid-19 is on the way out - UnHerd note the date.
Yes it was a different point of view but as things turned out she was hopelessly wrong.That doesn't help with what Noel said, that article just states she has a different point of view, it doesn't bring into question her academic credentials.
They certainly can, just look at Neill Ferguson.Yes it was a different point of view but as things turned out she was hopelessly wrong.
Scientists with "academic credentials" can make errors of judgement too.
He admitted it and resigned.They certainly can, just look at Neill Ferguson.
I was referring to his models, I am not fussed about his personal activities.He admitted it and resigned.
It was work in progress, for better or worse, and was duly corrected/processed/amended. He wasn't banging his own drum. Non of them are infallible. Critiqued coronavirus simulation gets thumbs up from code-checking effortsI was referring to his models, I am not fussed about his personal activities.
Never heard of this guy, but it looks like he should've stuck to his guns. He had covid months prior, recovered and is essentially unlikely to get a significant case again. As the evidence stacks up that reinfections are minor and almost entirely asymptomatic, we'll probably find out that the spread from such folks (not just asymptomatic, but asymptomatic second or third cases for an individual) is nil.They certainly can, just look at Neill Ferguson.
Bobare they really getting people aged 82+ to give injections, I've not heard this before.
@Amateur this is what you said. It's not unreasonable to assume that you meant 82+ year olds were giving out the vaccine.A huge amount of elderly people are relied upon to administer the covid injections too.....
but I suppose you will refuse to have it given to you by someone that is over the age of death in this country?
Right?
Absolutely it would be completely different if this were killing young children for instance. I have no problem in admitting that I put greater value on the life of young people than very old people. It's not just me though, the NHS does and the government, they have guidelines and equations that not only put a moral value on life, but a financial value as well (I think it's 20k per year).views about the elderly from certain age groups would have been totally different if the younger population were the ones on ventilators dying.
Gupta is being widely ridiculed by my fellow virologists. Objections are bring raised with Oxford about the legitimacy of using that designation in the pronouncements (they fall miles short of the usual standards expected for publication).Could you expand on this please?
I think the elderly vs young debate is just a small part of "how has the Government handled the crisis?". Overall, not the worst, but not great either - and the difference is tens of thousands of lives.Bob
I didn't say they were.
I said
"A lot of elderly people were relied on to administer the injections"
Which retired nurses doctors etc returning to help out have done.
To which Selwyn replied about the age of 82.....
If he wants to interpret what was written as something he just concocted to support his argument it's pointless continuing the conversation.
Never the less if he wanted clarification of what I had written he could have asked? Been civil.
But thats what happens when folk have a fixed picture in their minds.
From the start covid has been a moving target.
My original answer to the initial post was that Boris and the government have done a sterling job. Edging on the side of caution. Trying to strike a balance between work, education and the NHS admissions and keeping every sector of the UK population as safe and out of hospital as possible and saving lives.
It could quite easily have overwhelmed the population had they not contained it at every stage.
I think irrational views about the elderly from certain age groups would have been totally different if the younger population were the ones on ventilators dying.
The same people who were in outrage when Germany had it under control and our government were doing nothing. the calling. The complaining. Wanting an instant cure NOW.
Where are they now Germany are in total disarray?
And what about the shortages of vaccine for European countries and the inability of the EU to order and approve vaccines for so long? Stumbling at every step.
Nothing. Not a single word of support for our governments handling of ordering vaccines from multiple sources and approval.
All they can moan about today is removing the lockdown because it hinders their own personal lives.
Selfish people.
Flawed research is flawed research, Stanford or Bangor.ut a professor at Oxford, Cambridge, Stanford, Harvard, they aren't exactly where nutters tend to get jobs are they
Please could you back your claim with some evidence of where and why.Covidfaq isn't a proper source. Its a chilidish "takedown" of other points of view which are very valid
It is still a pandemic.It was a pandemic. It isn't now in the UK. Its now endemic. You will not get rid of it now
No they don't.No it doesn't. The waves slow before lockdown
Untrue.Every wave had reached it's peak before lockdown started, governments own data shows this