RobinBHM
Established Member
You do realise more younger people being hospitalised means more cases of long term health issues.
You do realise if we end restrictions, the R rate will go up and more people will end up in hospital and more will die
How would you rate the UK's handling of this pandemic?
- Thread starter Spectric
- Start date
Help Support UKworkshop.co.uk:
- Status
You do realise if we end restrictions, the R rate will go up and more people will end up in hospital and more will die
Droogs
Not the Sharpest Moderator in the box
We are still in a pandemic now. No we can't bring them back that would be walking dead territory but we can do everything to prevent as many other people from joining them uneccessarily just for the sake of a few pence more in yours and rorschach's pocket.
after all if we apply your and rorschach's reasons for not doing as we are then, perhaps we should apply it to all disease and not have a health service at all and everybody takes their chances. Which is fine if you are happy with the fact that you being Welsh (I presume) have a really bad risk of dying very young without any medical interventions.
after all if we apply your and rorschach's reasons for not doing as we are then, perhaps we should apply it to all disease and not have a health service at all and everybody takes their chances. Which is fine if you are happy with the fact that you being Welsh (I presume) have a really bad risk of dying very young without any medical interventions.
RobinBHM
Established Member
The data is based on the levels of people going into hospital and death rates DESPITE significant interventions.
If interventions are stopped (which is what you want), infection rate will increase and hospitals and economy will be damaged more, not less.
Unfortunately you are still arguing against lockdowns ......using data that has been the result of the lockdowns reducing infection spread. You are effectively contradicting yourself.
Selwyn
Established Member
We are not in a pandemic now. It is now an endemic virus. Its nothing to do with pence in my pocket - I have done very well out of it thanks. But a lot of people I know have not and they will suffer more and I care more about those lives than you.
We did actually apply my theory to all diseases before Covid. Health economists make decisions all the time.
Lockdowns do not work. You need to be at least slightly capable of looking at the longer term impact of the lockdown. Just a tiny bit.
I don't want interventions stopped, just different interventions but you cannot conceive of anything different working. You'd be a terrible engineer! lol.
RobinBHM
Established Member
Ahh the good old lockdown versus economy argument.
It's a false argument as no lockdown would result in hospitals being totally overwhelmed forcing more draconian lockdown measures creating more economic damage
In fact that's exactly what this govt has done.
RobinBHM
Established Member
Selwyn
Established Member
I didn't say stop interventions. Working from home is fine if you can do it. I didn't agree with shutting pubs and resturants, I didnt agree with shutting independent shops, I don't agree with shutting schools, leisure facilties etc.
There is no evidence without lockdowns that infection will spread once it is endemic- the case data will continue to ebb and flow as it is a seasonal endemic virus. And the case data doesn't even tell half the story - its the types of death, age of death and comorbidites that tell us most things.
Look at the Diamond Princess data again - that is the petri dish example for all of us. This is just basic basic biology. I'm just shocked you are so naive. All virus' get regulated by and large
Droogs
Not the Sharpest Moderator in the box
I have every idea of what is coming for us, I unlike you (given what you have previously said) have a total experience of what it is like to be poor and by this I mean destitute. I have lived in a bush for over a year and gotten 80% of my food from skips. I am proud to say i have never begged but have been close. I have spent most of my adult life working in the sh 1 ttiest of the worlds locations both when i was in the mil and after when I worked for and with UN and NGOs. I have seen the aftermath of epidemics and can scale that up to a pandemic for both health and wealth of countries. I know that due to incompetence and a lack of will to actually do what is needed ie total curfew and severe punishment for breaking it because there are a lot of pineapples who don't understand this disease is only spreading because they are moving around the disease doesnt have legs. As I said previously (which you scoffed at ) better 42 days house arrest than 42 weeks.
i hope you never have the need for real life saving help from another human being where they apply your logic to see if they can be bothered to provide it.
i hope you never have the need for real life saving help from another human being where they apply your logic to see if they can be bothered to provide it.
RobinBHM
Established Member
The government has a massive resource of scientists doing loads of modelling.
What makes you think you know better?
Let's hear your "different interventions"
So far all you've come up with is some platitudes about "focused protection"
Selwyn
Established Member
Which one of our 3 lockdowns worked?
Selwyn
Established Member
You are off your rocker mate. 42 days house arrest would make no difference to an endemic virus. You want the same thing over and over again but it will not work
Selwyn
Established Member
Your logic doesn't fit the data. All of these "waves" ease down before the lockdowns. Biology is a funny thing
Droogs
Not the Sharpest Moderator in the box
the data shows only that the speed of reaction to the wave has been greatly slowed by prevarication on the part of the authorities. After all if you notice a fire in the bedroom there is no point arranging for the fire brigade to come next week
RobinBHM
Established Member
Covid is still a pandemic so you start from a false premise
And there's a new strain which has spread widely throughout the country.......which is the definition of a pandemic
BTW there is evidence that lockdowns lower infection rate....
Selwyn
Established Member
No it doesn't. The waves slow before lockdown
RobinBHM
Established Member
No they don't.
That was falsely claimed in March by lockdown sceptics
https://fullfact.org/health/can-we-believe-lockdown-sceptics/
Selwyn
Established Member
It was a pandemic. It isn't now in the UK. Its now endemic. You will not get rid of it now
- Status
