Hose and adaptors for cyclone

[cgarry]

I have finally attached my cyclone to the dust collection drum.

I have yet to make a pressure relief valve, but I think that is straightforward thanks to Ed Bray's excellent how-to thread. Now I am just missing the hoses to connect the vacuum cleaner to the cyclone and the cyclone to the tools. To connect to the cyclone the hose needs to have a 50mm internal diameter which is somewhat bigger than the hose that came with the vacuum cleaner I am planning to use (http://www.wickes.co.uk/Wickes-Wet+Dry-Vacuum-With-Blower/p/215735).

Can anybody point me to some suitable hose that will do the job at a reasonable price?
Does it need to be a 50mm diameter hose or should I use some kind of adapter and a more standard vacuum cleaner sized hose?
Are there adapters available to connect to the tools I would want to use it with? (table saw, router, sander and so on).

Thanks,

 

[dzj]

If you're having trouble finding suitable adapters, you can make your own with a piece of PVC pipe and a heat gun.
You can also shrink fit a few layers of PET bottles to the required diameters.

 

[Ed Bray]

I use a set of SIP adapters, cost about £10 :

see here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SIP-01935-5-P ... 1c47e56fbc

The hose I used was from this seller, cheapest by far, just make sure you check the OD of the cyclone and get the right one, he sells various sizes and all at much reduced prices than others on ebay:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50mm-x-3mt-PU ... 3a9e8766ae

Few Hose clips and you are good to go.

 

[Doug B]

If the boss on the vacuum is around 50mm then you could use 50mm plastic waste pipe, I used the solvent glue type waste pipe between my cyclone & vacuum, I found this works really well & it gives less reduction in air flow than flexible hose.

 

[mseries]

To the OP, where did you get the cyclone (& barrel) from ?

 

[cgarry]

Thanks for all the advice, very useful as usual.

To the OP, where did you get the cyclone (& barrel) from ?

The cyclone came from China:
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/cyclone- ... 56202.html

The barrel is a 60 litre food drum that I bought from a local seller on eBay:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301205317474? ... EBIDX%3AIT
Searching for 'barrel' or 'plastic food drum' on eBay brings up lots of similar products. Metal barrels should also be considered as you might be able to get away without a pressure release valve.

For reference, the advice for which barrel to buy came from another thread on this forum:
air-tight-bucket-for-use-with-cyclone-t85145.html

Cheers,

 

[Stu_2]

You probably don't need to worry about a pressure relief valve, unless your hoses are large diameter and liable to collapse. I've used a very similar setup to yours, with a standard shop vac and Mirka hose, and didn't need the relief valve. My mate has the same 30 ltr container, too, without a valve, and never had any issues.

Hope that helps

Cheers
Stu

 

[cgarry]

It turns out that sorting out the hoses was actually simple. After wrapping duct tape a couple of times around the 50mm pipe coming out of the cyclone, the hose from my Wickes vacuum cleaner just pushed on as if it was designed for it.

To connect the vacuum to the cyclone I bought 1 meter of 50mm hose for £10 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005HIKV1S). This was the perfect size to connect to the cyclone and coincidentally the exact size to push into the opening on the vacuum, no modifications required!

So with it all set up I just ran it up and gave it a go. I spent 30 minutes in my shop clearing up fine sawdust, larger wood chippings, shavings from hand planing, metal fillings, small bits of metal and all sorts of other rubbish on my shop floor (including the odd pencil). All I can say is the results were amazing, everything ended up in the drum and the vacuum cleaner contained virtually nothing! There was no loss of suction at all, something that this particular vacuum cleaner always suffered with when vacuuming up sawdust.

Further more, I am able to block the end of the hose with my hand without any hint of the barrel collapsing. So it looks like I will not need to bother with a pressure release valve.

Thanks again to everybody who has helped me by answering my questions on this topic, it is all so much easier when you can call on the experience of others!

Cheers,

 

[Doug B]

Good to hear it's working well for you Chris

I've never had any problems with mine re collapsing barrel or cone, presumably the pressure release valve is necessary if either barrel or cone are relatively flimsy

 

[blackrodd]

Thanks for all the advice, very useful as usual.

To the OP, where did you get the cyclone (& barrel) from ?

The cyclone came from China:
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/cyclone- ... 56202.html

The barrel is a 60 litre food drum that I bought from a local seller on eBay:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301205317474? ... EBIDX%3AIT
Searching for 'barrel' or 'plastic food drum' on eBay brings up lots of similar products. Metal barrels should also be considered as you might be able to get away without a pressure release valve.

For reference, the advice for which barrel to buy came from another thread on this forum:
air-tight-bucket-for-use-with-cyclone-t85145.html

Cheers,

Excellent research you've done there, I'm very interested in how you get on, many thanks.
Regards Rodders

 

[Ed Bray]

I've had trouble without using a pressure relief valve with my plastic container collapsing when I used a 1.5HP 100mm Chip Extractor with a 50mm deputy Cyclone when I connected it to a 50mm hose. The pressure valve does trip if I cover the hose up so does protect the container.

I had absolutely no qualms about installing a pressure relief valve onto metal drum to protect my 100mm Cyclone Central version as they have had instances where they implode if the hose gets blocked and after seeing the container go I wasn't going to take the chance.

I do realise though that with a normal vacuum the likelihood of issues would be much reduced and is unlikely to cause too many problems.

 

[mseries]

Excellent research you've done there, I'm very interested in how you get on, many thanks.
Regards Rodders

Yes, to the OP, thanks again. One of my vacs is same as yours to it's giving me confidence that such a set up will work with my main one which is more powerful. I was worried that there would be insufficient suckage

 

[chris the chip]

just a tip did you know if you use empty mastic tubes cut to length they fit perfect as usual the standard hoses and the connections on hovers are all the same size diameter the mastic tubes fit perfect I run my system on my old dyson through the dust separator just for my sanders etc but for the chip extractor I made a thiene extractor from plywood and Perspex with a 50 gallon plastic drum £10 and my extractor unit £50 ebay runs fantastic and they do work check youtube for thiene design.cheers