God Bless America

[Jacob]

Had to google 'Alinskyite' (in the vicar's sermon above).

Very interesting, I'd never heard of him before. Yes I'm probably an 'Alinskyite' :lol:

Reading about Alinsky reminded me of Elinor Ostrom who died recently.
I'm a fan of her too. I wonder if they ever met? Another American socialist, no doubt in league with Satan!
Semper vigilans, there's a lot of them are out there quietly working away. :shock: :lol:

 

[jakethebuilder]

Many people do eat the deer they kill. There are processing houses that only open during the Fall and Winter, for just that purpose. Sadly, many people are only after that trophy buck, with the large antlers. As someone else mentioned, deer are severely overpopulated in much of the United States, Oklahoma included. At least twice as many deer are killed by cars, as hunters. There are just too many of them. The various hunting seasons are intended, in part, to manage the population. The problem is, in our area at least, so many people pass up shooting does, in favor of that trophy buck, that there are probably ten does to every buck, and the population continues to grow every year. Many hunters take advantage of Primitive Firearms Season, archery season, and regular rifle season. One person could potentially kill up to six deer every year, although few actually do. Of course, all this discussion is entirely separate from the issue of gun control. When it comes to deer hunting, I see no need for a gun that holds more than 5 rounds, ever. Even that is probably overkill (no pun intended). I have no idea why automatic weapons have ever been allowed in the hands of the general population. As for the scenario of being awakened in the night. I hope I never have to face that situation. I have no way of knowing how I would react in such a situation. I'm certainly no warrior. A burglar is one thing, but there is a recent trend here for what the media refers to as "home invasions", where the perpetrators, usually two or more people, knowing people are home, kick in the front door, guns in hand, and then proceed to rob the homeowners at gunpoint. That seems to be mostly an urban phenomenon, so far. It hasn't happened in our area that I know of. Regarding the murders I referred to by people chasing away burglars: It was the homeowners who were killed. The homeowners unwisely chased the burglars in their vehicles, and when they caught up with them, the burglars shot the homeowners. In both cases, the people were arrested just a few days later. All this makes it sound like a scary place to live, but it really isn't. The good people still far outnumber the criminals, although the media would have you think otherwise. It's just when those types of crimes occur near your home, it puts a little more doubt in your mind, as to how safe you really are....Sorry to be so long winded about all this.

 

[andersonec]

Many people do eat the deer they kill. There are processing houses that only open during the Fall and Winter, for just that purpose. Sadly, many people are only after that trophy buck, with the large antlers. As someone else mentioned, deer are severely overpopulated in much of the United States, Oklahoma included. At least twice as many deer are killed by cars, as hunters. There are just too many of them. The various hunting seasons are intended, in part, to manage the population. The problem is, in our area at least, so many people pass up shooting does, in favor of that trophy buck, that there are probably ten does to every buck, and the population continues to grow every year. Many hunters take advantage of Primitive Firearms Season, archery season, and regular rifle season. One person could potentially kill up to six deer every year, although few actually do. Of course, all this discussion is entirely separate from the issue of gun control. When it comes to deer hunting, I see no need for a gun that holds more than 5 rounds, ever. Even that is probably overkill (no pun intended). I have no idea why automatic weapons have ever been allowed in the hands of the general population. As for the scenario of being awakened in the night. I hope I never have to face that situation. I have no way of knowing how I would react in such a situation. I'm certainly no warrior. A burglar is one thing, but there is a recent trend here for what the media refers to as "home invasions", where the perpetrators, usually two or more people, knowing people are home, kick in the front door, guns in hand, and then proceed to rob the homeowners at gunpoint. That seems to be mostly an urban phenomenon, so far. It hasn't happened in our area that I know of. Regarding the murders I referred to by people chasing away burglars: It was the homeowners who were killed. The homeowners unwisely chased the burglars in their vehicles, and when they caught up with them, the burglars shot the homeowners. In both cases, the people were arrested just a few days later. All this makes it sound like a scary place to live, but it really isn't. The good people still far outnumber the criminals, although the media would have you think otherwise. It's just when those types of crimes occur near your home, it puts a little more doubt in your mind, as to how safe you really are....Sorry to be so long winded about all this.

Not long winded at all Jake, it's just nice to hear stuff from the horse's mouth so to speak, the media always likes to make a meal of things and only want to sensationalize things so it's not the best place to find the real facts.

I misread your previous and thought it was the thieves who had been shot, In this scenario though it was not a sensible thing to do, chase after someone who had just robbed your house, if you had seen enough to know what car they were driving surely it would then have been a job for the police, like you said, they 'unwisely' chased the thieves.

Automatic or even Semiautomatic (self loading) are weapons for combat troops and have no place in civilian hands, rifles surely should be kept for hunting or target shooting purposes only, if 20 rounds are needed to kill a deer then something is wrong with the user and if you need something to 'defend' yourself with then the answer is a pistol, rifles are for using at distances of one, two or even three hundred yards, even then the owner needs some form of training, not only how to use said weapon but also when.

I recently watched a video on youtube where a father read his daughters facebook post then put six .45 rounds through her laptop whilst it was on the ground in front of him, mmmmm, surely a hammer would have sufficed to render the laptop useless (and a lot cheaper) a gun in broad daylight, in a field, with cars driving by, at one stage he wasn't sure how many rounds he had left, THAT is when accidents happen, "empty magazine?" squeezes trigger "whoops" passerby gets taken to hospital, totally and utterly irresponsible way to handle a weapon but if that is the familiarity being bred then the government or the NRA needs to promote some sort of safety/ training regime.

Have a safe new year.
Andy

 

[Phil Pascoe]

Surely a little sense should prevail; even Americans aren't that stupid? Surely the place to start is to decide which guns to limit?

 

[nanscombe]

Some do tend to complain when America acts like the Worlds Policemen and tells other countries what to do.

So what does that make us, the Worlds conscience?

 

[jakethebuilder]

All good points....Hate to break the bad news to you, but yes, many Americans ARE that stupid. The functional intelligence of the average American has dropped drammatically in the last twenty years or so. I see young college graduates, who couldn't have finished high school thirty years ago. Lots of people have gone absolutely crazy for weapons of all types. Movies and video games promoting all that fire power, certainly don't help matters. I agree that one of the first things to do is decide which weapons should be limited. Even that debate could take years. I'm not the type to get militant about such matters. Better to let those more passionate hash it all out. I resign myself to emailing my representatives in the government, and let them know my opinions about such things. One tiny voice, but if everyone did it, the representatives would be more informed, rather than relying on the lobbyist groups to tell them what to think all the time.