FLAT SCREEN TV's with built in HD and, general pict quality

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dicktimber

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Let me tell you about these contraptions.

The BBc and ITV introduced HD tv a couple of years ago. Initially you had to buy a box to get the HD channels and have a dish fitted.
Today you can buy a Sony or Panasonic TV with built in so called free sat HD, which still requires a dish.
If you go to Currys or Comet you can see HD being demonstrated by way of a HD review channel from the BBC. The picture is sharper, and more defined than normal TV.
So you expect to get this quality of picture when you buy a HD TV.
Not so.
In their wisdom the BBC only send out certain programmes in full HD. This is something to do with the amount of information they can send at one time.
If you watch TV during the day in HD, it will invariably not be full HD and in some instances the picture can break up.
But, come six o'clock when the BBc news is on and many people arrive home from work, full HD is transmitted.
I have been told this is due to cost as transmitting a lower no of bits costs less than a higher no of bits.
So you have a varience in picture quality, although they say this is not true.
There are very limited channels to watch free.
Sport does look better, but you also need a 100hrtz Tv, and picture stabilization built in the TV. This is because in action movies and fast sports viewing there can be a shuddering effect in the picture quality. Some TV's have built in chips which add additional frames to help smooth out the picture, so a footballgame looks more normal and is smooth running.
Flat screen TV's are only as good as the programmes the TV companies broadcast.
For instance if you like All Creatures Great and Small..it's awful...because it's in an old format.
It is also a myth that everyone can get digital TV when the analogue transmitter in their area is turned off.
Digital is transmitted in a series of straight lines, unlike analogue which is based upon the sine wave.
Many people in the Lake District, where their homes are next to steep hills struggle to get a reception from a digital TV ariel.
They are being forced to have a dish installed if they want to get a decent signal.
HD TV's work well with HD DVD's...however there are snags with this.
The HD player must be a Blu Ray player and the DVD must be HD to enjoy full 1080 pixcels viewing.
HD DVD's are expensive to buy.
You also need a dedicated HD lead to transmit from the player to the TV.
So when you buy a TV you will have a spec covering

Contrast ration....say 20, 000 to 1
This is the ration of blacks and whites on the screen.it has nothing to do with anything else.
It is a ratio between the blackest blacks and the whitest whites ( don't ask!)
The higher the ratio, the better the blacks in the prog.
For example. if you watch Batman Returnes, which is filmed in dark settings, it will still be dark. BUT the blacks will be blacker and the whites whiter...so in theory the definition will be better.
1080P the maximum number of pixcels that can be had on a TV screen. The more there are the tighter together the picture will be, the better the picture quality.
Sound quality. Please listen to this as alot of places don't or won't replace if you get home and the sound is terrible.
You would be surprised the number of people who buy a TV and never listen to the sound quality.
In general it's terrible from the little speakers built into even the high spec TV's.
I may have got some of the technical jargon a little scew wiff, but that's it in general.
Be aware that. As soon as you get the set home, it's out of date. Has dropped several hundered pounds in price, and is old technology.
By 2020 we will be watching holagrames projected onto a flat surface and view the programme as we see the world, with the higher priced models incorporating your home surroundings into the programme scenery.
So you can be sat in THE ROVERS RETURN, watching as if you were there!
And the point of all this.....
Well if you go to Currys to buy a TV, and you consider the young chap that served you didn't have a clue about TV's..............

IS IT ANY WONDER????
 
dicktimber":30yeg80w said:
Digital is transmitted in a series of straight lines, unlike analogue which is based upon the sine wave.
No, actually.
The digital signal is modulated onto a whole bunch of sine waves (spread spectrum) for transmission, but currently at a low signal level so as not to interfere with analogue.
When that's turned off the they can turn up the digital. You shouldn't need direct line of sight to the transmitter either.
Also don't forget you cannot get snow or ghosting on your digital images (HD or not) because of the way the signals are demodulated by your STB or TV.
Have a look herefor a fairly detailed explanation...
I agree with your comments about the sound - certainly on Sky, many HD and some SD channels have dolby digital sound - a TV cannot reproduce it properly.
 
Pete
In theory you are correct and that is what is supposed to happen.
In practice it doesn't.
They are finding that in some areas where the analogue transmittion has been turned off the digital signal is not being picked up, and they are inferring a dish will be needed.
They are having the same problems in the USA.
I also have first hand experiece of people who have purchased these TV's returning to the store because even the installer can't get a digital signal, again in areas where the analogue signal has been turned off.
It also depends on the TV set you purchase, with many of the low price ones not having enough substance inside them to fully pick up and reproduce the picture as it has been transmitted.
I think the BBc are also a a learning curve as I read they have a satellite deal with another broadcaster. Could this be back up justincase the whole digital thing goes wrong?
 
I save my bile for the proponents of doing away with FM transmissions.

For what it's worth, IMO Freeview terrestrial sound and vision quality will deteriorate over the coming years as the available limited bandwidth for each channel is reduced so they can give us yet more banal shopping and porn channels...all in the interest of giving us more choice. Yeah...right. A cacophony of choice, more like.

The only way of getting a decent quality picture (assuming that the original is good to begin with) is FreeSat.

The requirement for a digital aerial for terrestrial digital reception is a myth - see the Ofcom research study.

The quality of Radio 3 digital services will deteriorate further because the available digital bandwidth will be chopped up more and more to give us more and more choice....just how many rubbish channels can you listen to at the same time? And in any event, if they are constraining the bit rate for one digital route then why bother to keep the bit rate high elsewhere? Saves on codecs as well. Result! That last bit was irony or sarcasm, btw.

Radio 3 will continue its' dumbing down until there is nothing to distinguish it from Classic FM.

But the birds think spring is here.
 
Bugbear
I say HD DVD's to help people understand DVD quality.

When the final two systems were being developed they were
Blu ray and HD DVD.
Blu ray won the race only after it became apparent that the two companies could not come to a compromise over development etc
in actual fact Blu ray IMO is infact HD DVD.
 
I have read that the HD format that the BBc and ITV use is going to change for the world cup. This means that the HD boxes and the built in HD will not work correctly. This was highlighted in the Telegraph recently so it could be total rubbish.
 
it was why BBC and ITV got together todo the Freesat thing... because not all area's will get a good enough (or any) Digital aerial signal.

HD DVD's do still exist but they aren't making any HD DVD players anymore since Toshiba (i think) pulled out fo the format battle with Bluray (and sony)
sadly HD DVD was the better format (anyone rememeber Betamax) but Sony putting BR in the PS3 sorta did the job. but the actual HD DVD's can still be bought even from Amazon.
The amount of channels recieved thru an aerial could increase when analogue gets turns of (as a digital channel takes up less air space) also the quality could improve if they wanted it to, if they do or not is another question.
BBC HD on sky does only work from 6 (tho i thought it wsas from 7 when cbeebies stops transmitting and they use its bandwidth to do BBC HD) that way they are paying the same money for bandwidth but making best use of it... (its why cbeebies ends transmission at 6.58pm)

I think until the whole digital switchover has taken place that most people won't be getting the best from their new flatscreen tv. CRT tv's still sometimes have a better picture of std aerial tv than many flatscreens. the tv's were design for that signal. HD tv's are design for a much better quality of signal (inc more data) which cannot be transmitted over analogue. it will all get better tho. hopefully.
we will just be getting used to it before they want you to change your tv again for one that does 3D better tho lol...
 
matt":1t6r2sqv said:
...and be prepared to bin your DAB radios when broadcasters switch to alternatives.

I hear there's a new-fangled technology coming out that doesn't eat the batteries in your portable for breakfast. FM or something like that.
 
yo_chuci":2dni0jcz said:
BBC HD on sky does only work from 6 (tho i thought it wsas from 7 when cbeebies stops transmitting and they use its bandwidth to do BBC HD) that way they are paying the same money for bandwidth but making best use of it... (its why cbeebies ends transmission at 6.58pm)

Are you sure about this?

I thought BBC HD just transmitted their "preview" on loop during the day.
Cbeebies and CBBC use the BBC3 and BBC4 bandwidth.
Or at least they do on Sky and Virgin...
 
cambournepete":3p95xn6o said:
yo_chuci":3p95xn6o said:
BBC HD on sky does only work from 6 (tho i thought it wsas from 7 when cbeebies stops transmitting and they use its bandwidth to do BBC HD) that way they are paying the same money for bandwidth but making best use of it... (its why cbeebies ends transmission at 6.58pm)

Are you sure about this?

I thought BBC HD just transmitted their "preview" on loop during the day.
Cbeebies and CBBC use the BBC3 and BBC4 bandwidth.
Or at least they do on Sky and Virgin...

i guess its what people read or what you get told... i was told the bbc hd used bandwidth from cbeebies and thats why cbeebies finishes at 6.58 instead of 7pm.
this was when i was a TL for a company that sub contracted from sky... i saw my old boss from sky when i was there and he was telling me about it as it was when bbc hd was launching.
it might have changed now and he might have been informed wrong but he was high up on the installation side (in charge of managers etc that were in charge of engineers)
 
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