Fixing damaged plane mouths, advice.

[tobytools]

Hi gents.
A question not about how to..
But rather would this fix the damage and also created a tight mouth. It's a mitre plane that needs this restoration (maby)
The damage is bad, say about 1/2" long and in the centre of the plane.
I'll upload pics later I'm just wonder if this can be saved


TT

 

[MMUK]

Without the photos I doubt anyone could say for certain....

 

[AndyT]

Yes, photos are needed. You haven't said whether it's a wooden plane or a metal one!
Does it just look bad but work ok, or is the damage stopping it from cutting?

 

[tobytools]

Sorry was a quick message. I'll post photos after Thai boxing, it's a wooden mitre and it's to the back of the mouth (bed) so there is the bed angle problem to tackle.
Photos soon
I haven't used plane or own yet!! Im just asking as it's a question of can it be saved or used?

Thanks
TT

 

[Racers]

Hi Toby

Have a look here modifying-woodies-t72233.html condeesteso fits a Boxwood patch to the sole of his plane.
That's all you have to do.


Pete

 

[tobytools]

Hi Toby

Have a look here modifying-woodies-t72233.html condeesteso fits a Boxwood patch to the sole of his plane.
That's all you have to do.


Pete

I'll put pics up in 10mins.
It's the complete opposite to that thread.

Thanks anyways Pete
TT

 

[tobytools]

here are the pics as promised.
as you can seen rather bad damage to the rear mouth ptrobaly caused my a nail!!
could this be fixed? and how would one go about doing this,

the hard part would be getting it to line up with the bedding angle ect ect

any help or comments welcome thanks
TT

 

[carlb40]

Just like this

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j& ... 3672202801

or this?

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j& ... 3672202801

 

[AndyT]

I'll offer my own theoretical suggestions, hoping to stimulate thought.

First, I'd try using the plane. I expect it will work perfectly well - the iron will be stiff enough to be supported by the sides. So you could just keep it as it is.

But if you want a cosmetic repair I'd follow usual furniture repair methods. So you need to cut out the hole so you have clean flat surfaces to glue to. A coping saw would do, or you could just chisel. You want to end up with a sort of tapering dovetailed hole. Into that you insert a patch, cut from similar wood, at the same taper, with the grain oriented the same way as on the plane. You cut this patch over sized, glue it and tap it in. The reason for the taper is so that it tightens up as you tap it in - you can't clamp it.

When the glue has dried, you chisel and plane the spare wood away, so the final surfaces line up with the bed and the sole.

You could either leave the patch as a visible repair or try to colour the wood to match the rest.

Good luck and take some pictures!

 

[tobytools]

Just like this

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j& ... 3672202801

The links the same thing Pete sent me and if you notice the inley on both these is for the front of the mouth. Where as for the mitre plane it's at the back of the mouth because at the front it has the box mouth closer.
I guess it's very similar but slightly more difficult due to the fact that it will need to match the bed perfectly.

I appreciate the link and help thanks
TT

 

[tobytools]

I'll offer my own theoretical suggestions, hoping to stimulate thought.

First, I'd try using the plane. I expect it will work perfectly well - the iron will be stiff enough to be supported by the sides. So you could just keep it as it is.

But if you want a cosmetic repair I'd follow usual furniture repair methods. So you need to cut out the hole so you have clean flat surfaces to glue to. A coping saw would do, or you could just chisel. You want to end up with a sort of tapering dovetailed hole. Into that you insert a patch, cut from similar wood, at the same taper, with the grain oriented the same way as on the plane. You cut this patch over sized, glue it and tap it in. The reason for the taper is so that it tightens up as you tap it in - you can't clamp it.

When the glue has dried, you chisel and plane the spare wood away, so the final surfaces line up with the bed and the sole.

You could either leave the patch as a visible repair or try to colour the wood to match the rest.

Good luck and take some pictures!

Thanks Andy,
I'll probally have to re-read this to get a visual in my thick head but sounds a solid and sound way of fixing. If I do own this plane in the future I will aim to repair and will share as many pics as wanted. Thanks again.
Thumbs up.

TT

 

[carlb40]

The 2nd link might be more helpful. So a combination of the first with the how to of the 2nd?

 

[Racers]

Hi Toby

Bed not mouth! :wink: I think it should work fine, but it you want to use the same method but behind the mouth.
You should have good access to smooth the bed once the blade and mouth closer are removed.

Pete

 

[bugbear]

I suspect the bed at the broken point is so thin and flexible, it's providing little support to the blade anyway.

Is the blade bevel down or bevel up? Since this depends on the last person to assemble
the plane (who may have been ignorant) a better question may be "is the blade bevel low enough
to permit its use bevel down" ?

BugBear

 

[AndyT]

Toby has said that he does not own this plane yet... I think we are helping negotiate the price! ;-)

 

[tobytools]

Toby has said that he does not own this plane yet... I think we are helping negotiate the price! ;-)

I think I'll get it for historical purposes and references
Ye that's my exscuse lol
TT

 

[tobytools]

Ok I now own the mitre plane. When I receive it I'll sharpen and see if it even needs to be touched.
Maby at a later date I may choose to fix but for now it's just going to have to do.
Also it will help me in the building of one when I finish my project at hand

I'll post pics of plane when it's home
TT

 

[tobytools]

Threads dying so I'll just say I now own mitre plane. It's currently having a drink, turns out it's a mitre my Moseley &son 17&18 King St, 27 Bedford St, 1863-72
A beautiful 2" wide ward iron 8 3/4" long.

The damage isn't that bad and is most defiantly caused by a nail. Should effect use. I've flatterened the back of the iron only took me 5mins to get perfect results but I will pull out my super fine stones to get a mirror.

The plane has no worm. Is 11 3/4 long and just under 3" wide.
Once I've finished the drink process I'll wait to dry and wipe with so rags then use Renaissance wax to bring out it's patina. Then home blade, making sure dead square, then I'll trim a mitre for a picture frame.

TT

 

[Richard T]

Pic chuhs! Pic chuhs! (hammer)

I shouldn't think that the damage will affect its use. IME planes find it much easier to hold an iron when it is upside down.

Wonderful to have a Ward mitre iron. =D>

 

[tobytools]

Pic chuhs! Pic chuhs! (hammer)

I shouldn't think that the damage will affect its use. IME planes find it much easier to hold an iron when it is upside down.

Wonderful to have a Ward mitre iron. =D>

Just have to reassemble, and then sort out the camera.
Turns out I have to watch a film with the misses "quality time and all that"
Ha.
I'll sort multiple pics out after. I haven't done the bevel yet.
TT