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Newbie_Neil

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Hi James

I notice that The Great British Woodshop thread has now been locked and that makes it the second thread that has been locked in a week. :shock:

Is there a new policy that we don't know about? :?

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I had the same though Neil. The Great British??? Woodshop has only shown 6 episodes so far yet the topic was locked. This was presumably because it had changed to the usual controversy about SDHs.
I was about to reply to anobium punctatum about the table extensions shown. These appear to have been copied from NYW episode on making a table saw station. Although I have made the occasional cupboard etc in the past, I was inspired by Norm to buy a table saw & soon found its limitations. In time have crammed as many power tools in my 20x10 garage as possible.
I just hope David Free doesnt take the Johns Workshop way & use MDF for his 'woodworking'
 

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James

I'm in full agreement with both Neil and Dewy about locking a topic. So what if it goes on for a while it shows that people on the site are interested, as long as no-one is being castigated or vilified. Any topic worth its salt will run for a while, if everyone gets fed up with it, it will die a natural death and be consigned to the archives.
Don't be to hasty as that could lead to people feeling alienated on what has been and hopefully will continue to be a very friendly site.

Drew
 

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From looking at the Great British Woodshop site http://www.greatbritishwoodshop.com/DesktopDefault.aspx

The Director – JOHN PELRINE worked for WGBH in Boston for 18 years & worked on both This Old House & New Yankee Workshop.
Hence the layout of this new British?? show with an Australian presenter/producer.
It is obviously meant for sale to the USA market as the Yanks can't tell one English speaking accent from another.
This is from experience using an American based voice chat program for 4 years.
 

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sawdustalley":luzan5x3 said:
Ok, its open again.

Please keep down the arguement and franting about dado blades - keep the discussion on topic
Unfortunately James, Its a topic that doesnt want to die.
I agree its being flogged to death.
People should learn to look at past topics instead of repeating old ones.
I have been using the Screwfix forum for 3-4 months & people keep starting new topics on SDHs which annoys the others.

Give me a router to cut housings anyday.
 

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2 things we are going to do:

1. Creation of a small website, informing UK woodworkers about the facts, and the general common sense. This website will not be linked to any woodworking forums and will operate independantly - it will be hosted by one of the members of the forums.

2. I'm going to talk to charley about this matter, we may choose to revise the forum rules, as some topics become silly and out of hand. It is un-interesting and pointless for many of the members - however as it is an important issue - we will post a link to the website informing our users on the matter.
 

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IMVHO,

1: Would the HSE site not suffice?

2: Smacks of censorship, as another poster mentioned, this attitude may end up driving members and potential members away. I really don't understand this position. If a subject is apparently "silly" then that is a direct indictment on those contributing.

Rgds

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Hi James

I realise that being a moderator is a difficult and time consuming responsibility. I am very grateful that you, Charley and Alf give up your time so freely. For this reason I thought long and hard before deciding to make this thread public and again now, on whether to continue it.

Please believe that the last thing I want to do is to upset the apple cart, but IMHO I feel that this is too important an issue to let things ride without discussing them fully and freely.

Cheers
Neil


sawdustalley":143vsl2b said:
2 things we are going to do:

1. Creation of a small website, informing UK woodworkers about the facts, and the general common sense. This website will not be linked to any woodworking forums and will operate independantly - it will be hosted by one of the members of the forums.
I'm sorry, but IMHO I don't understand why it needs a separate site. Surely it could be covered quite simply on this site. I have long felt that it would be a welcome addition for newcomers to have an FAQ that they can be pointed to which covers a lot of the commonly asked questions.

You would only need to have a few paragraphs, such as this, to cover dado heads: -

If you are reading this it is probably as a result of watching Norm Abram or David Free using a dado blade cutter in a table saw. The law regarding woodworking safety in the EU and US is very different. As this is a UK site we will only cover EU safety issues.

There is not one manufacturer in the EU who sells new table saws where the arbor is long enough to fit a dado head cutter. All table saws in the EU have an electric brake with a maximum stopping time of ten seconds. It is this electric brake that probably precludes the manufacturers from lengthening the arbor enough to take a dado head cutter. It is also quite probable that manufacturers would not be able to get insurance cover if they tried to manufacture table saws with a longer arbor.

As you are probably new to woodworking we are trying to make you aware that it is inherently dangerous when the only way to perform a cut is by removing the safety guards.

The Great British Woodshop (David free) http://www.greatbritishwoodshop.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=170 have investigated the dado head issue with the BSI. As pointed out there are no table saws sold in the EU with an arbor of the requisite length to support a dado head cutter of up to 15.5mm.

Neither Norm Abram nor David Free have an electric brake on their table saws. There is no requirement in the US and David Free imported his from Australia. It is perfectly legal to import such a saw for use in a home workshop. It should be pointed out that the Delta Unisaw used by both Norm and David is not a cheap sub one thousand pound saw, it is made of cast iron, and would probably cost you in the region of three to four thousand pounds to import into the UK (after carriage, duty, vat etc).

This is one description of what might possibly happen "A dado set fitted in a tablesaw with an electric brake would be like watching those kung fu blades flying around. It is believed that after repeated stopping and starting of the saw, when a heavy dado head is fitted, it could cause the locking mechanism to work loose."

Dado heads on RASs are still legal providing they are adequately guarded and you don't need a motor brake so long as the saw has an auto-return (coil spring) mechanism and the blade is returned to a guarded home position - which would be your chip catcher at the back of the saw. In January 2004 the DW720 (smallest model) allows a dado head cutter to be attached.

Because of the design of the "wobble type" dado cutter it will not produce true right angle cuts. The "chipper type" will cut a square bottom but it leaves two grooves on the edge of the dado, which some people say is a benefit when glueing up.

But, at the end of the day, why bother with a dado head cutter? Why not make a simple jig and USE YOUR ROUTER. IT IS MUCH CHEAPER than a dado set, A LOT SAFER and also cuts the perfect dado.

Disclaimer - It is your responsibility to ensure that you are using your tools safely. This site does not recommend the use of a dado head cutter.


sawdustalley":143vsl2b said:
2. I'm going to talk to charley about this matter, we may choose to revise the forum rules, as some topics become silly and out of hand. It is un-interesting and pointless for many of the members - however as it is an important issue - we will post a link to the website informing our users on the matter.
Again, I'm sorry but IMHO I have to disagree. If a thread is boring then people don't have to read it and if it is really boring it will soon move off the first screen of topics.

Surely, the reason that the two threads stayed on the first topic page for so long was that people were interested in them. The statistics show that they had nearly two thousand views between them.

Cheers
Neil
 

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I have to say I agree with Neil - his summary seems to be right on the button.

(I will confess I occasionally use a dado set on my Dewalt RAS !)
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John
 

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Neil,

An appropriate, mannerly post.
I agree, an FAQ type "section" would suffice.
I've been visiting the wreck for some years and their FAQ is a treasure trove of information. Obviously it caters for a rather larger audience but I imagine a similar, smaller version would be of great value.
In addition I still feel that all WW and WW related subjects should be discussed as long as there is some degree of interest.
See the wreck FAQ at:
http://www.robson.org/woodfaq/

Rgds

Noel
PS I am quite willing to assist in building or contributing to an FAQ if required.
 

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Folks

Personaly I think a sepearate linked site is the way to go. Doesn't have to be much, newbies idea is fine but it should point to the hse and so on for verification.

The reason I think a seperate site would be usefull is because it would isolate it from UKWW or any other related site. Theres bound to be some one who will get uppity and mire us all down again.

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Hi Signal,

Wouldn't an inclusive section enhance and be more beneficial to the forum and perhaps attract more members?? JMHO.
Anyways, guess ultimately it's up to the moderators, although I'm sure our views and opinions are taken into consideration.

Rgds

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Yup,

it probably might but the way I see it its such a contentious issue that it will probably end up causing more arguments than its worth.

So if you do it as a seperate site ukww will be isolated and wont be mired down with the same ole same ole :wink:

Cheers

Signal
 
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Die dado Die ,ure names not down n ure not comin in :lol:
 
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