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Most have probably noticed I am more into engineering than woodwork now and I think theres a reasonable number of people here into engineering too.

I think it might be worth adding more sections to the forum beyound just “General Metalworking”, maybe an tool/machine restoration/maintenance and engineering sections for example.

I know there are other engineering themed forums, but I find these not half as friendly or containing as many interested parties as this one.
 

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Rhyolith":3kn5jt1b said:
Most have probably noticed I am more into engineering than woodwork now and I think theres a reasonable number of people here into engineering too.

I think it might be worth adding more sections to the forum beyound just “General Metalworking”, maybe an tool/machine restoration/maintenance and engineering sections for example.

I know there are other engineering themed forums, but I find these not half as friendly or containing as many interested parties as this one.

I support this. I do some engineering restorations. I'm doing a Boley 3 screw cutting lathe (pre 1935) at the moment, but not posting a WIP here as it is a bit outside the scope of the forum at present.

Like you, I used to belong to engineering forums, and left because of the atmosphere, as you say it is not nearly so welcoming and helpful as this one. Many are US based and people just want to talk about making guns. And they seem to be populated by retired technicians who are knowledgable but love to point out what everyone else is doing wrong, often in a sneering way. Whereas our pros are supportive, helpful and generous to us hobbyists.

Keith
 

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In the past, discussion about extra sections has tended to rattle on for a bit, then fizzle out.
My suggestion is that anyone with something to post about engineering or machine restoration should just go ahead and post it anyway - I expect it will get a warm reception. If the volume of posts gets too great to manage, we could ask for some new sections, but the current volume is quite low so I don't think that would be a problem.
 

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But, But, But.
(me being devils advocate here)
If you make a folder that is so specialised it will only contain restorations, welding, hot forging, what have you, you are going to drive away all the broad spectrum woodworkers and attract all the undesirable experts that you so want to get away from.

Why do you think a restoration is not interesting for woodworkers? Post it in the general metalworking section and see what response you get.
Too many folders means too many reasons not to look. And I am guilty of that so I know of what I speak. The mere sight of a CNC thread is enough to make me want to go make a cup of coffee.
 

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AndyT":xw9hs29b said:
In the past, discussion about extra sections has tended to rattle on for a bit, then fizzle out.
My suggestion is that anyone with something to post about engineering or machine restoration should just go ahead and post it anyway - I expect it will get a warm reception. If the volume of posts gets too great to manage, we could ask for some new sections, but the current volume is quite low so I don't think that would be a problem.
Its one thing allowing it, which this forum has done well for ages, but another thing to encourage it... particularly from less regulars or newbies. I personally would like more engineering questions and discussions that I can contribute too as well as a clearer place to post my own stuff.
 

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To be fair I would be concerned about drawing a line between engineers and woodworkers, this would not be good. One of the forums current strengths is not doing this.

All the same I would like engineering to have more ‘officail’ representation in the forum to encourage more posts in that topic.
 

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It is "UKWorkshop" after all, not all workshops are wood ones :D

It would be nice to see more metal oriented content and contributors.
 

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I think the issue is that the board index’s format makes it seem like all the sections are woodwork themed exept metalworking (which, they sort of are). Maybe a better solution is to make subtle changes to the board index, particularly: projects, tools and workshop sections I think... maybe finishing too. Just to make clearer none woodlwork projects are welcome.
 

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I think at present the set up we have works and works well.

Trevanion wrote:It is "UKWorkshop" after all, not all workshops are wood ones
I appreciate your point T but bear in mind our logo and what it represents.

The General Metal Working board was created by request to accompany shop made tools and such and, as the board description says, butchering metal rather than wood. It has a good level of traffic and slots nicely in with woodworkers who are familiar with metal working, who work with metal in addition to wood and other members who require assistance or advice.

AndyT wrote: In the past, discussion about extra sections has tended to rattle on for a bit, then fizzle out.
My suggestion is that anyone with something to post about engineering or machine restoration should just go ahead and post it anyway - I expect it will get a warm reception. If the volume of posts gets too great to manage, we could ask for some new sections, but the current volume is quite low so I don't think that would be a problem.
Yep.
 

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“ ...bear in mind our logo and what it represents”
This is the sort of thing I mean, limiting things to just woodwork in the format of the forum when engineering is a very real part of this community. In the end thats what makes this forum good, the community not the format. Indeed, partly for the reasons discussed here I think the format does not actaully work especially well (least not for metal butchers).
 

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Youve got a circular argument going.

First sentence from your last post;

"In the end thats what makes this forum good, the community not the format."

Next sentence;
"Indeed, partly for the reasons discussed here I think the format does not actaully work especially well (least not for metal butchers)."

First you say what makes the site good is the community not the format, then you say you want to change the format which will by definition make the community more divided.
 

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sunnybob":23h8w374 said:
Youve got a circular argument going.

First sentence from your last post;

"In the end thats what makes this forum good, the community not the format."

Next sentence;
"Indeed, partly for the reasons discussed here I think the format does not actaully work especially well (least not for metal butchers)."

First you say what makes the site good is the community not the format, then you say you want to change the format which will by definition make the community more divided.
I don’t see the contradiction, I am saying the community is good and the format is less good, so lets improve the format (the less good part). All my opinion of course.

What I didn’t make clear in my hap hazard posts :? was that I am far from head set on the changes suggested at the start, this is simply one way of doing it. Indeed the issue of divsion (as highlighted) has made me think an engineering specific section may not me a great idea after all.

I am however standingby that more engineering discussions would be nice, and while the community is excellent in this regard, the format is not... in fact I think the clear woodworking focus actively discourages it.

My suggestion now would be to open up sections that already exist to more topics, this would not be a big change (in fact I would sugget subtly and small changes over big ones) simply making it clearer topics outside woodwork are welcome (which, they are).
 

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Rhyolith, while I don't disagree with what you are saying, I really don't think anyone is going to make a fuss if you simply start posting a wider range of topics.

Maybe there's a parallel in that we don't need a special section for CNC - people just post in General Woodworking and nobody objects that it doesn't belong there, anyone not interested in CNC can ignore it.

I may not have much to add to your engineering projects but I will enjoy reading about them!
 

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Cool. I'll start to get together a WIP on my (slow) Boley lathe restoration, and will happily comment on your and others' posts, Rhyolith.
 

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MusicMan":1yxlta79 said:
Cool. I'll start to get together a WIP on my (slow) Boley lathe restoration, and will happily comment on your and others' posts, Rhyolith.
Excellent. Sadly, I don't have another vintage lathe to restore, but I did write up the story of my Barnes back in 2013 :) :

i-blame-roy-underhill-t72124.html
 
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