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Doug71

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This would be easier with pictures and I will try and work that out this weekend but here goes without first.

I need to work out which euro style hinge if any (preferably Blum) will do what I need.

I have some doors to put on some cupboards about 900 h x 600 w. The best way to describe it is imagine 18 mm MDF inset doors but with a 6 mm MDF panel stuck on the front which will over hang the frame by about 10 mm right round. Another way to picture it is an overlay style door rebated out so there is only 6 mm thick left in front of the frame and the rest is within the frame.

I don't think that either inset or overlay hinges will work for this situation but could be wrong? I thought maybe the zero protrusion type might work as they seem to throw the door quite far forward?

Does anyone understand what I am describing and have any thoughts on it before I go out buying loads of different style hinges and spend ages doing test pieces?

Many thanks, Doug
 

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The 6 mm will need to hang over the frame by about 10 mm so will probably be overhanging the back of the door by about 12 mm.

They are actually to replace some cupboard doors in the eaves of a loft conversion. The frames are painted CLS type timber, really rough with an architrave set back about 15 mm so hoping to cover some of the scruffy frame, rounded corners on CLS with the overhang but the front of door does not want to stand any further forward than the front edge of the Torus architrave which is about 6 mm.

Trying to improve on the mess someone else made as usual.
 

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I think I have the right mental picture of this. Would a spacer behind the hinge on the frame and the door mounting offset by the spacer thickness do the trick?
 

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From your description I think what you're probably looking for is what's usually described as a 'concealed hinge, partial (or half) overlay'.

I did a quick search and found this US based 'how-to' article which may be useful to you, although I suspect you may already know much of what's described here: https://www.woodcraft.com/blog_entries/ ... ed-marvels

I also quickly searched Hafele's catalogue with the search descriptor: 'concealed hinge half overlay', and it came up with the results at this link: https://www.hafele.co.uk/INTERSHOP/web/ ... lf+overlay

… and I clicked on one link as an example of the type I suspect you need. Because you are creating a door with a rebated edge it may be that none of the partial overlay styles work for you, or you will need to fruit around a bit with hole positions and the like to get your chosen hinge to work. Slainte.

The descriptor for the following link is "Concealed Cup Hinge, 95° Nexis, Sprung, Half Overlay/Twin Mounting, Grass. Soft close compatible"

https://www.hafele.co.uk/en/product/con ... 5&PDP=true
 

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No that wont work Richard, the door is only proud of the hole by 6mm, but the hinge wouls be on the back of the door (say 18mm) so the hinge is 12mm in the hole so the door can't open on itself. it will hit the frame.
 

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On reflection, Bob, I can see you're right. I used to see the type of door Doug71's describing quite a lot on kitchen cabinetry when I lived in the US, but it was always coupled to face-frame type cabinetry, which the Americans made quite a lot of, and still do as far as I know, although there were also many cabinets done in the more European frameless style. The kind of hinge used for that configuration is a '3/8" inset door concealed hinge' in the American parlance - the middle configuration in the image below, lifted from the article I linked to yesterday.

With that type of hinge configured for use with a 3/8" (10 mm) inset door with a face frame, the question is does Doug71 have a face frame in his job? Additionally, I can't ever recall seeing that type of hinge sold over here in the UK because European kitchen type cabinetry tends to be almost exclusively of the so-called frameless variety, whereas the North Americans do seem to have a fondness for the face-frame style in addition to the frameless style. The type illustrated in this link might do the job (with a face-frame), but they're nearly $30 a pair and would have to come from the USA, so even more cost. I just haven't come across that hinge configuration in European catalogues, e.g., Hafele, but maybe another supplier has them. I strongly suspect you use this type of hardware much more than me in your specialism, so maybe you know of a supplier for the kind of hinge I think might work. Alternatively, you might have a better solution altogether. Slainte.

 
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