The Tattooed One
- 26 Apr 2009
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- Sutton Coldfield, UK
This can also apply to the people around you that attempt to educate you, it's hard for a complete beginner to differentiate between someone who humbly has decades of hard-earned experience or some braggart who thinks he knows everything about what he's doing despite only having ten minutes of playing about. It's easy for someone for a bit of knowledge to spot the Dunnock amungst the Sparrows but for your average everyday punter "It's just a bird like any other" which they'd be wrong because the Dunnock is definitely the most interesting one there by far.Half the problem is we don't always know what we don't know. Some people compound this by trying to give the impression they do know, when it is evident they don't.
The 'sharp at purchase idea seems good...but its possibly caution that prevents it. I have to sharpen all tools after purchase however as an OHSE 'type' I think that not having blades sharpened to 'really good edge' at the store may actually prevent some injuries when people thumb test the blade edge. This would be a cause of action against the maker/importer. That may sound 'come off it'....but precaution whether as a principle or a personal decision has a value. The origin of the actions are in Donaghue Vs Stevenson, and though later altered owing to his quoting the 'Bible' for it... Lord Atkin on 'neighbourliness' is an important mindset.Tis, a nice idea that chisels, and planes be sharp out of the box, be it dealer or manufacturers sharpening.
What happens, as in this case, the new owner trys to do the impossible with the tool.
The number of planes I've seen where it has clearly been used to try to plane down a painted door, with a nail hidden under the paint. Makes me wonder how many electric planes are sitting in land-fill for the want of new blades.
If you have no blade camber on your smoothing plane how do you avoid having to sand off the plane tracks left by the corners of a straight edge?Back bevel? Microbevel? camber? Obviously I am ignorant. Yes my plane is tuned, it’s the original Stanley Bailey number 4 that I went to Teacher training college with when I was 19. I have changed the cap Iron for something a little stiffer, but I have never thought (and I do know what I’m looking at) that my work could be much improved, I very rarely use abrasive papers, the finish from a sharp plane shines, why scratch the surface?
Ha ha - what a hodge-podge of illogic! And that "overthinking" thing (a good excuse for not thinking at all).I think what I’m trying to say is that you can overthink these things, what more do you need? A sharp plane and the whistle as it takes a few microns thick shaving across end grain says it all, no, and I’ve never used a shooting board either.
I feel sure a lot of this is to imbue a mystique to what we do, whether that’s to make them feel better/superior or just to sell us more shiny things I don’t know, my LN plane is still sat on my bench covered in dust, just couldn’t get on with it at all.
Rambling? I begin to suspect you are just extracting the micturate and casting out some chum for we small fishes to bite at. Naughty.I’m sorry I’m rambling, but I don’t find woodwork/cabinetmaking too difficult, it’s just a few simple rules, accurate marking out and sharp tools. Some equipment to take a lot of the hard work out helps I suppose.
Hmmmm - yes, you may be right. In future I will be buying car and bicycle that does not go, as speed kills! Also, I will switch all the electric off to the electrical items at the mains. Electrocution is always a possibility - but not if there's no lecky in the wire. ....The 'sharp at purchase idea seems good...but its possibly caution that prevents it. I have to sharpen all tools after purchase however as an OHSE 'type' I think that not having blades sharpened to 'really good edge' at the store may actually prevent some injuries when people thumb test the blade edge. This would be a cause of action against the maker/importer. That may sound 'come off it'....but precaution whether as a principle or a personal decision has a value. The origin of the actions are in Donaghue Vs Stevenson, and though later altered owing to his quoting the 'Bible' for it... Lord Atkin on 'neighbourliness' is an important mindset.
I say that possibility of not sharpening to fine edge understanding also that probably many people have no ability at sharpening or knowing when 'sharp' has become SHARP without the thumb test. Nevertheless used tools blunt and sharpening is important. Interestingly some serious injuries comefromblunt tools...like a screwdriver which when 'blunt' is actually sharp.
Those razor sharp knives flogged in TV advertisements... ...I wonder how many injuries from them...My son knocked the large one off a bench...it embedded in his foot and required 5 stitches...yep, he had sneakers 'on' and a steel cap would not have protected him on the bridge of his foot. Makes me shudder just thinking about it!
I turned it back off to see what you were talking about. We have a poster intent on becoming the most ignored on the forum, and only here for a fortnight so far. So, he disappears again.I said a while ago that I have never used the ignore function and cannot see the use for it. The light is beginning to dawn.
Hi..Utube also has some of the worst techniques and most outlandish claims for them in its money grubbing 'subscribe' features.. Better to learn from a professional.I think it does come down to youtube. Which, although it does open up learning for a lot of folks that would otherwise not have a way of doing it, provides no feedback when you are actually are on your own as a beginner you have no idea what is important and what isn't. And as been already mention if you want fast progress, which again youtube and the world seems to demand, then there is no substitute to having someone looking over you should and going, wait...
Absolutely agree Mike.Be ware of youtube, though, because there are many more videos of people doing it wrong than there are of people doing it anywhere near right. You really are in the right place here, akirk, if you're seeking woodworking advice, and help in navigating youtube's pitfalls.
Not sure I agree with this. He may be the best cabinet maker in history, but that wouldn't make his personal attacks any more acceptable. It also completely ignores the fact that there are many, many approaches to woodworking, all of which can produce wonderful results.......maybe your post will have some credence. ......
Tom, I will be looking to flatten the sole of the Bargain Bedrock at some point as it is very slightly hollow, if you would like to add some pointers on how best to do this on the bedrock post, so as not to go further off topic on this post, it would be appreciated.Just felt I should mention this in-case the owner of that bargain Bedrock decides to try it.
Important on that particular plane for instance.
Oh dear......are you the person who protested someone else was ignorant a few comments back?... Perhaps you should think about being less 'in control' of intellectual stream and more about maturing in your own thinking. As a professional in OHSE my comment then and now is sensible as a'maybe'.Hmmmm - yes, you may be right. In future I will be buying car and bicycle that does not go, as speed kills! Also, I will switch all the electric off to the electrical items at the mains. Electrocution is always a possibility - but not if there's no lecky in the wire. ....
Perhaps we should all lock up the shed forever - mine's full of sharp and pointy stuff. 11 screwdrivers at the last count!
I wonder where I can buy a soft and coddling cocoon? But hang on! Those cocoons can probably suffocate a lad if the breathing pipe gets blocked so .............
Perhaps the best strategy is to huddle in bed and never get out. I believe this is practiced to a great degree by the youth of a certain country when the pains of social intercourse become too many.
Eshmiel is a variant of Ishmael, half grandfather (I think, it's been a long time since I did Scripture) of Jacob, by Hagar, Abraham's 'maid servant' (hem hem).Eshmiel...... surely this can't be Jacob's latest nom-de-plume, can it?
Impressed with the deductionEshmiel is a variant of Ishmael, half grandfather (I think, it's been a long time since I did Scripture) of Jacob, by Hagar, Abraham's 'maid servant' (hem hem).
But you knew that.
Oh hang on, maybe great uncle, perhaps once removed. Not very good with lineages.