Bench Rebate Plane

[Sawyer]

I've been looking for a bench rebate plane but can't justify the cost of the Lie Nielson one. So the first place to look seemed to be Ebay for a 2nd hand Record, or similar. No joy, but came up with, brand new, the Faithfull Bench Rebate Plane no. 10.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from= ... Categories

It was a pleasant surprise to discover that somebody is making these again, but are Faithfull planes any good?

At that price, £35, I'm guessing that they come from the Far East, and it seems too cheap to be of any reasonable quality.

Anyone know about Faithfull planes, and the bench rebate in particular?

 

[Richard T]

Can't comment on the quality of Faithful as I have not tried one but I have found a second hand Stanley #78 to be an excellent plane and a good substitute for the missing #10/ bench rebate/ carriage makers' etc. from my armoury.
I know they don't have the same width but at 1 -1/4" they're not bad at all.

 

[Pete W]

I've never had a No.10 or similar and can't say I've ever missed it.

As for the Faithful, I'd guess it will be the old problem of quality control - you might get a good one, or (perhaps more likely) you won't. Would a rabbeting block plane (like the Quangsheng from Workshop Heaven) be a reasonable compromise?

 

[Sawyer]

I reckon that the rabbeting block plane would a bit on the light side, Pete. For the lighter stuff, I already have a side-filister rebate plane, a wooden rebate plane and a shoulder plane. I'd like something with a bit more 'heft', hence my search for a no. 10.

 

[The Wood Butcher]

I'd wait and get a Record or Stanley from the bay. They come up often enough but you'll be looking at £80-£100 for one in good nick.

 

[Paul Chapman]

Pennyfarthing Tools are advertising a Record #010 at the moment - looks to be in good nick http://www.pennyfarthingtools.co.uk/new-woodwork.htm

Cheers :wink:

Paul

 

[Karl]

I had a Faithfull No 7 once. The sole was so curved it could have passed for a compass plane!

 

[beech1948]

If your considering a #78 then instead buy a Record #778. It has two metal arms instead of the Stanley single arm.

Al

 

[AndyT]

Pennyfarthing Tools are advertising a Record #010 at the moment - looks to be in good nick http://www.pennyfarthingtools.co.uk/new-woodwork.htm

Cheers :wink:

Paul

- I wouldn't rely on their website as 100% accurate guide to their stock - the new address at Wantage is on the home tab, but 'contact us' still leads to Salisbury - and the recent items section has a good sprinkling of broken image links!

 

[bugbear]

If your considering a #78 then instead buy a Record #778. It has two metal arms instead of the Stanley single arm.

Al

And a proper screw depth adjuster.

BugBear

 

[bugbear]

I've been looking for a bench rebate plane

At the risk of asking a silly question - what do you want to do with it?

If you actually want to cut big ol' rebates, I'd be more tempted by either a skew rebate or a moving fillster, both wooden, both superb, both cheap!

Skew rebates (especially) are very cheap.

Tuning woodies takes a little thought and care, but much good advice is available on the 'net from those who've gone before you...

BugBear

 

[Sawyer]

Bugbear, I'd use it for large rebates on stuff like door frames, which is why the greater width and weight attracts. To be honest, it's not at all urgent as I am pretty well equipped already and it would only get used occasionally. This is why I don't want to shell out £320+ for a Lie Nielson: however excellent it probably is. Alternatively, I'm skeptical that the £35 Faithfull would actually be any use.
I now note that Anant do them too. :| Don't think I'll be going down that route, somehow.

So perhaps I'll take my time and keep looking around. The going rate for a 010 seems to be around £90: not cheap , so probably worth looking at wooden ones. Ones I've seen in the past have been skewed though, so I suppose not ambidextrous, which is one of the 010's advantages.

'Bench rebate plane' though descriptive is a bit of a mouthfull. I much prefer the more picturesque 'carriage' or 'badger Plane'.

 

[AndyT]

When I made some glazed doors a while ago (https://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/glazed-doors-mostly-by-hand-t39419.html) I tried out different ways of making the rebates, including planing them all the way, and rough chiselling followed by planing. I found that the quickest way was to use a narrow plough plane to cut two deep grooves, one from the face and one from the edge, then use a rebate plane just for the final tidying up. This also has the advantage of producing a potentially useful long thin stick!

 

[GazPal]

When I made some glazed doors a while ago (https://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/glazed-doors-mostly-by-hand-t39419.html) I tried out different ways of making the rebates, including planing them all the way, and rough chiselling followed by planing. I found that the quickest way was to use a narrow plough plane to cut two deep grooves, one from the face and one from the edge, then use a rebate plane just for the final tidying up. This also has the advantage of producing a potentially useful long thin stick!

This is among the quickest methods (Sawing being another) for rapid stock removal and producing accurately cut rebates.

 

[Dangermouse]

I purchased a Fathfull no10 carrage plane new, as it was on offer and ultra cheap, expecting it to be rubbish. But on taking a straight edge to it found that it was within British standard of 3 thou and the sides within a few thou too. So after a bit of fettling of about an hour it became a very good plane. The blade shapened up well and cuts fine, although its not up to LN quality, and I'm thinking of putting in a thick blade from Ray Iles, the Replacement Carriage Maker Plane Cutter Ref: RI001, costs around £18 to £20.

 

[Jacob]

If your considering a #78 then instead buy a Record #778. It has two metal arms instead of the Stanley single arm.

Al

Yebbut one arm is enough, and half the time to adjust!
Also the Stanley has a very clever design detail in that the fence covers the unused portion of the blade and so avoids cut fingers - a hazard with all the other makes I believe.

 

[Benchwayze]

I purchased a Fathfull no10 carrage plane new, as it was on offer and ultra cheap, expecting it to be rubbish. But on taking a straight edge to it found that it was within British standard of 3 thou and the sides within a few thou too. So after a bit of fettling of about an hour it became a very good plane. The blade shapened up well and cuts fine, although its not up to LN quality, and I'm thinking of putting in a thick blade from Ray Iles, the Replacement Carriage Maker Plane Cutter Ref: RI001, costs around £18 to £20.

=D>
Can't ask much more. Nice one DM

 

[pswallace]

I can't speak for the rebate plane faithful do but I have just recently bought A number 6 fore plane made by faithful (actually after reading A reply from Dangermouse on cheap fore planes) and I am really impressed ,had to flatten the sole for about 90 minutes but what do you expect for £35. After I polished the back or face of the iron and reground the bevel and honed A micro bevel I'm really happy with it. . . . . .by the way thanks Dangermouse!

 

[Pete W]

As noted far up the thread, the trouble with the low-cost toolmakers is consistency and quality control. It's always possible to get a good one, all-too-common to get a bad one. The very first planes I got were a Faithful set of No 5 and block plane (together with a sliding bevel, a square and a marking gauge). The block plane was excellent straight out of the box; the jack was rubbish and no amount of work could fettle it.

If you buy from a good retailer who'll exchange a poorer example it can be worth a punt, I think. But any time you get a good plane for little money you should count your blessings

 

[Sawyer]

Looks pretty good in the photo anyway, for what that's worth. At about 1/3 the price of a 2nd hand Record 010, I might be tempted to take a chance. If so, I'll let people know what it's like.

Thanks for the replies so far, everybody.