Bailey no4 refurb.

[blackrodd]

My Bailey number 4 is in need of a bit of a refurb, and I see beech tote and knob for around £20.
Is this the going rate, can anyone tell me please?
Whilst not wanting to pay too much, I wouldn't want to get in the tat range.
TIA, Regards Rodders

 

[tobytools]

My Bailey number 4 is in need of a bit of a refurb, and I see beech tote and knob for around £20.
Is this the going rate, can anyone tell me please?
Whilst not wanting to pay too much, I wouldn't want to get in the tat range.
TIA, Regards Rodders

I wouldn't pay that much myself. You can either make your own or buy replacent rosewood ones for less.

TT

 

[MIGNAL]

Yes. For £20 you can get a spare blade, chipbreaker and lever cap too! Just buy an Ebay special.
I might have a spare front tote, free.

 

[Phil Pascoe]

I've never paid more than £5 for a No.4.

 

[RogerP]

I wouldn't pay that much myself. You can either make your own or buy replacent rosewood ones for less.
TT

Can you please give me link to those rosewood handles? Thanks.

 

[tobytools]

http://www.toolnut.co.uk/products/plane ... e_Set.html
Only a few quid more for better quality than beech.

This is the cheapest about, a bit of refining would help the distasteful shape and no dout feel.
http://m.www.my-tool-shed.co.uk/p21932/ ... tAodvl8ExA

I've never used any of these products nor brought from the company's so I can comment on quality or the service.

Thanks
TT

 

[MIGNAL]

Nought wrong with Beech. It's not the wood that makes it better quality, it's what you do with it.

 

[RogerP]

http://www.toolnut.co.uk/products/planes/plane_spare_parts/Rosewood_Plane_Handle_Set.html
Only a few quid more for better quality than beech.
This is the cheapest about, a bit of refining would help the distasteful shape and no dout feel.
http://m.www.my-tool-shed.co.uk/p21932/ ... tAodvl8ExA
I've never used any of these products nor brought from the company's so I can comment on quality or the service.
Thanks
TT

Interesting - thanks very much.

 

[lurker]

I bought a faithful plane last week from Amazon 16 quid delivered (they are 21now). I was going to use it for spares. The wooden parts were most impressive and very nicely finished.

 

[blackrodd]

Many thanks for the replies Folks, This is just a bit of a refurb of an old friend, almost.
Had it for years, I just use it for knocking off the arris and small jobs etc at work now , and it's looking really scruffy, etc.
Please excuse my ignorance, A couple of links that have been posted, one was for a no 5 tote, and another for a 41/2
Tote, does that mean that either will fit my no. 4?
Another problem is the brass nut on the tote is seized slightly loose, is this a part for a no 4 as well, or will a no 4,
4 1/2 and 5 also fit?
Mignal, thanks for the tote offer please let me know if this is possible, I am keeping away from buying one for spares, as I would hate dumping what was not needed, daft as it sounds.
I would be happy to pay post etc.
Thanks and regards Rodders

 

[Bod]

Many thanks for the replies Folks, This is just a bit of a refurb of an old friend, almost.
Had it for years, I just use it for knocking off the arris and small jobs etc at work now , and it's looking really scruffy, etc.
Please excuse my ignorance, A couple of links that have been posted, one was for a no 5 tote, and another for a 41/2
Tote, does that mean that either will fit my no. 4?
Another problem is the brass nut on the tote is seized slightly loose, is this a part for a no 4 as well, or will a no 4,
4 1/2 and 5 also fit?
Mignal, thanks for the tote offer please let me know if this is possible, I am keeping away from buying one for spares, as I would hate dumping what was not needed, daft as it sounds.
I would be happy to pay post etc.
Thanks and regards Rodders

The handle for 4 1/2 won't fit a 4. 5 handle will fit.
Loose handle is very common, the solution is to cut a few mm's off the handle rod, or to add a few small washers under the brass nut. However if you are planning to change the handle, I wouldn't do anything now, but wait till the new arrives.

Bod

 

[MIGNAL]

Here's the front tote I refurbed on a Record No. 4 that I did a few months ago. The originals were Beech, complete with the usual very brittle, flaky varnish. I used a Rosewood stain and finished with Button polish and Alkanet. The Alkanet dye helps to maintain the Purplish colour. It was a quick rough and ready attempt at Rosewood but probably good enough for a Record No. 4.
I only have the front knob from a Stanley No.4. I used the rear tote for one of my transitional builds. I still have the threaded rod though, if it's any use.

 

[Racers]

The handle for 4 1/2 won't fit a 4. 5 handle will fit.
Loose handle is very common, the solution is to cut a few mm's off the handle rod, or to add a few small washers under the brass nut. However if you are planning to change the handle, I wouldn't do anything now, but wait till the new arrives.

Bod

What is this handle you speak of? could it be the "tote" at the back of the plane? :wink: :shock:

Pete

+1 for the washers or shortening the rod.

 

[Bod]

The handle for 4 1/2 won't fit a 4. 5 handle will fit.
Loose handle is very common, the solution is to cut a few mm's off the handle rod, or to add a few small washers under the brass nut. However if you are planning to change the handle, I wouldn't do anything now, but wait till the new arrives.

Bod

What is this handle you speak of? could it be the "tote" at the back of the plane? :wink: :shock:

Pete

+1 for the washers or shortening the rod.

Tote = Horse race betting system, unless you are an American.
Handle = Is what you fly off.

Bod

 

[Mr_P]

Tote is English, its cropped up before.

I'll try and find the thread.

Short version; "tote" is both old, and English.

Moxon in "Mechanick Exercises or The Doctrine of Handy-Works" called it a "tote" in 1703.

BugBear

american-terms-t68737.html
post735216.html

 

[Bod]

Planecraft 1959 edition, describes the front handle as a "plane knob", and the rear as "plane handle"

I wonder what sort of look you would get, asking for a file tote, in Axminster?

Bod
(Who is most likely way behind the times!)

 

[Droogs]

Tote is English, its cropped up before.

I'll try and find the thread.

Short version; "tote" is both old, and English.

Moxon in "Mechanick Exercises or The Doctrine of Handy-Works" called it a "tote" in 1703.

BugBear

american-terms-t68737.html
post735216.html

Tote as a word used in english first appeared in the late 1600s in and around the state of Virginia. Its etymology has been traced back to several Western/Southern african languages, namely Kikongo - tota - to carry, and to swahili - tuta- to pile up or carry with. it bears theefore to say that it is an American English term rather than British English and is one several Americanisms that are now prevelant in the lexicon of woodworking this side of the atlantic, But the surprising thing is, it didn't need to wait for you tube to do so

 

[Phil Pascoe]

This crops up quite regularly. I've not seen or heard the handle called a tote anywhere except here.

 

[blackrodd]

Thanks for the replies. Just had a look,
Collins dictionary, Tote (c 17thc) (1),To carry, convey or drag.
(2), The act of or an instance of toting.
(3) Something toted.
Regards Rodders

 

[Benchwayze]

http://www.toolnut.co.uk/products/planes/plane_spare_parts/Rosewood_Plane_Handle_Set.html
Only a few quid more for better quality than beech.
This is the cheapest about, a bit of refining would help the distasteful shape and no dout feel.
http://m.www.my-tool-shed.co.uk/p21932/ ... tAodvl8ExA
I've never used any of these products nor brought from the company's so I can comment on quality or the service.
Thanks
TT

Interesting - thanks very much.

Roger...

Some time ago, I bought a 'rosewood' tote and front knob from eBay. (I can't recall the seller.) The goods weren't genuine rosewood. I guess I didn't expect they would be, but the appearance was better than beech. At the time, I needed a good handle, so I didn't see any reason not to 'gild the lily'. Obviously the plane would have worked just as well with beech, but at least it was easier to sell on!


John