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Joe Shmoe

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Hi.

I've recently aquired a 2nd hand surround sound receiver, in its day it was very expensive, but I paid very little for it so there's every chance it doesn't work properly.

Anyway..... It didn't come with a power cable, so I used one that I had laying around. It's just a 3 prong kettle lead, like the type you'd use for a large guitar amplifier.

The reciever turns on, but immediately says "amp protection, powering down" and turns itself off.

Having browsed the company page, it says the following under the FAQ, which makes me wonder if the problem is using a three pin plug when the recover has only two pins.... And if so, what's the remedy without trying to source the original two prong kettle lead?



Why do the power cords have two prongs instead of three?
To help prevent ground loops, which occur when there is more than one ground path. Often misunderstood, the ground conductor prevents the chassis from becoming live if the AC line touches it. We use double insulation instead, something that may sound unfamiliar, but you've seen it before on power tools. This method may cost a little more, but no one can resort to using a 3-prong to 2-prong adapter to open a ground loop ("cheater" plug in this case since the green wire is used for decoration instead of safety).
 
Forgot to mention..... It also said this.....could the issue be I haven't used any speakers yet?

Do amps get damaged if powered on when speakers are not connected to all channels?
They can if they use output transformers. Most tube amps do, whereas solid state amps with output
 
What make is it?
I don't think the power cord will be the issue. If the earth isn't used because it is double insulated then it won't be connected at the receiver end.
Should power up OK without speakers connected. If this works OK then the fault is with the speakers. Too low impedance maybe?
Also is there a reset procedure as I read some amps have to be reset by holding a button down when powering up for example.
 
I just opened it, and spotted the following. Do you think this is why?

Is it easily fixed or not worth the hassle?
 
Seems to be the obvious reason as someone has previously stated if there is an earth wire in the three pin plug it will be redundant at the amp end, as for powering it up with no speakers connected there is no reason why this cannot be done, driving speakers at too high an impedance is what could cause a problem and that could have caused the thing to expire.
Maplins may be able to help and you could replace those leaking bits yourself if not there will be somewhere you can send it to bring it back to new, pity you were not near Lincoln as there is a shop up the hill who would fix it for you.
Andy
 
Probably, those are electrolytic capacitors probably on the power supply to smooth the supply. These are the prime failure point on a lot of equipment (including Sky boxes). They are fairly cheap devices and not difficult to replace if you know how to use a soldering iron. The issue may be what other damage has been done to the board by the leakage. The component under the coil looks possibly damaged and maybe some track damage. You may be lucky and a few pounds and a little time will find out.
 
If the box is metal, then it HAS to have an earth connection in the lead.

The electronics inside may well not have an earth as it can induce severe hum and feedback.
You SHOULD NOT run an amp without speakers connected. Any speakers will do for testing purposes provided the volume control is set to minimum, but the manual will tell you which impedance speakers will give the best results at anything over half power.
 
Hi, cheers for the guidance. I'm not too experienced in electronics. It appears 4 resistors are missing, plus damage from the capacitor? Plus, there seems to be quite a lot of marking nearby? Where did the four resistors go? Did they burn up and fall out of the machine? Does the additional marks indicate lots of damage and more hassle than its worth, or only by replacing the four resistors and capacitors will I know?
 
Any board repairs will cost you more than another amp unless you are able to do all the work yourself.
Sorry, the advice is to bin it.
 
sunnybob":328uv6tn said:
If the box is metal, then it HAS to have an earth connection in the lead.

The OP stated that the unit is double insulated. If it is (marked Class II) it should NOT be earthed (same as some site tools).

I agree, looks like there is other damage on the pcb that may be very difficult to fix.
 
Cheers Porker.

Is it worth me soldering in four new resistors and seeing if it works? Or, are the four resistors an indicator that something else is wrong and therefore not worth trying.
 
I think there are probably other issues and damage you can't see. You would need to know what value the components are that are missing and ideally a circuit diagram. It looks like this unit has been fiddled with before (the thermal paste under the transistors or FETs looks a bit of a mess).

A competent electronics engineer could probably fix it and it clearly partially works but honestly without that knowledge you will struggle.

It's years since I fiddled with this stuff but it is of the same era - nowadays its all surface mount stuff which I have have not touched.
 
it reminds me of an old power amp I got on ebay, it was not repairable, and I really know what I'm doing with electronics, this looks kind of similar, in theory you could repair it, but you are probably wasting your time, sourcing certain parts can be very tricky with older circuits, you have to ask yourself if it's worth spending a lot of time, sometimes you end up doing all this and it can still not work at the end of it all.
 
Nowt to do with power lead, quite a few proper Amps have just a two pin, and yes, they're metal cased e.g. my old Denon, somewhere around the 1kw mark had only 2 pins

denonavca1srback.jpg


If the blown components are on the output stages of a quality amp you will probably find that direct replacements will be higher specced than non audio components and pretty pricey. By all means have a go but I'd suggest, like the others, its BER.
 
Cheers guys. It was very cheap so I guessed it was a bad, so I'm not disappointed. More out of interest than anything, but more hassle than its worth. Cheers for the advice, some interesting bits learnt.
 
Was looking for the photo's too. Leaky caps are one thing but the missing resistors may never have been fitted as many boards are used for different things by different Manufacturers.

Have probably repaired 200+ Sky boxes with dodgy power supplies and never had a single one back!

Jon.
 
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