Blimey Phil! You have well & truly "smacked my gob"!
BTW, I would say that at least "basic arithmetic" and basic English (if you live/work in England or any other English-speaking country) ARE indeed the "be all and end all" of shall we say "basic living" in those countries!
Another BTW; the entrance exam I took to be even interviewed for the RAF Apprenticeship had a pass mark (unknown to the sitters of course) and if you failed, that was it - "end of" - i.e. you only got invited to the Selection/Interview process - 3 days IF I remember correctly - if you passed the entry exam. And the Q's were a bit more "complex" than the ones you quote above (and included English, History, "General Science", and "General Knowledge" as well as "Maths")!
What I really don't understand is that for a long while, apprenticeships stopped altogether in UK (as pointed out by several posters above). Not so in other countries such as Switzerland for example. Yes, a uni-level education really is necessary for some, particularly in "scientific" subjects, but I can't understand any industrialised country doing away with apprenticeships altogether.
I wonder if any UKW members currently working the "new" UK apprenticeships "system" have any comments about how it goes in UK today (apart from the price of beer that is)!
I guess I'm just a boring old fart (as ever).
That made me laugh.Reminds me of how my Drill Cpl in basic introduced himself to us sprogs, "I am Cpl Everidge and I'm your Drill Instuctor. I'm sure we are all going to get along swimmingly but, if we have do have words at any time the second word will be you shouting OW"
Oh those were the days
Blimey mate you were on a millionaire's apprenticeship at £7.5K, i was on 1K at the end of mine!! No insult intended there it's just a matter time passing. 72 now and feeling old, going to cheer myself up and go out on the bike.I started an apprenticeship a decade ago on approx £7.5k a year although admittedly not in woodworking/metalworking (IT/Networking with an A/V company), and just found that it was just taking the p*ss. There was no hard work and solid training, it was just a case of pay the young guy sod all and take advantage, while sending him off to *generic training* every few weeks.
After a year of that I scrapped off the apprenticeship and (still with zero paperwork and a part-finished training course) I used my experience to get a proper job at 2.5x the pay. I had a good run there climbing the ladder then left to another disappointing role before deciding to work for myself.
Now with this lockdown situation I keep flitting with the idea of going back to that nice reliable desk job (admittedly mostly at home) to get myself a few bob to spend on more tools...
In my opinion the big issue with apprenticeships now is that they're thought of as a second choice for those who can't get the grades to go to university. This has left us with a generation of trades people who (in my experience) on the whole have little interest in excelling in their trade or taking real pride in their work.
This issue is compounded by the general attitude today that faster and cheaper is always the way to go so long as it's better than the bare minimum.
AES The RAF still have appos. Avionics LTechAR , apprenticeships are still done at RAF Cosford, this year the DCTT Defence College of Technical Training got an "Outstanding" from OffStEd. link for stuff here:OK, it can well be that I've got hold of the wrong end of the stick. I haven't lived in UK or been there (apart from short business or personal trips) for almost 40 years now. Sorry if I've created a red herring.
But what I THINK I do know (not 100% sure) is that the RAF don't run the sort of apprenticeship that I went through in the '60s. (No doubt someone will shout if I've got that wrong too please).
From small part time jobs to that money it definitely felt like a lot (until I tried to leave home), but it was still something like 20x less than the average house price at the time!Blimey mate you were on a millionaire's apprenticeship at £7.5K, i was on 1K at the end of mine!! No insult intended there it's just a matter time passing. 72 now and feeling old, going to cheer myself up and go out on the bike.
Keeps the stories coming they are great.
AES The RAF still have appos. Avionics LTechAR , apprenticeships are still done at RAF Cosford, this year the DCTT Defence College of Technical Training got an "Outstanding" from OffStEd. link for stuff here:
Unfortunately they still have PTIs there too
These days it feels like a lot of the time it's initiative that's required, but is sorely missingHis argument was,....I was supposed to do what I was told, not use my initiative..."Its not a democracy here" he said ..."You don't get to vote on whether you do something or not". "You do what I tell you to do and when"...
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