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By Terry - Somerset
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Ipsos MORI Veracity Index 2019 - trust in professionals:

    At the top 86%+ - nurses, doctors, dentists, teachers, engineers
    In the middle - professors, judges, police, civil servants, clergy
    Playing catch up - politicians 14%, govt ministers 17%, estate agents 30%, business leaders 35%

No listing for solicitors or chartered accountants but may not be that different to business leaders. We could probably all have guessed this anyway!

Interesting that those at the top of the list mostly don't wear suits, but all those at the bottom do.
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By stuartpaul
#1334802
SammyQ wrote:I wore a suit most days of my working life. I never sold anything, nor mis-interpreted the law. It was expected, indeed, rigorously enforced, by my immediate superiors for the first two decades of my career.

Thanks T.N.

Sam

Don’t worry Sam, - I suspect T-N’s somewhat remote grasp on reality has slipped (again).
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By RogerS
#1334811
SBJ wrote:So many hard done by people with chips on their shoulders. There are as many conmen and fraudsters who don't wear suits as wear them.

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Yup. Vegans get such a bum deal.
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By RogerS
#1334815
Terry - Somerset wrote:Ipsos MORI Veracity Index 2019 - trust in professionals:

    At the top 86%+ - nurses, doctors, dentists, teachers, engineers
    In the middle - professors, judges, police, civil servants, clergy
    Playing catch up - politicians 14%, govt ministers 17%, estate agents 30%, business leaders 35%

No listing for solicitors or chartered accountants but may not be that different to business leaders. We could probably all have guessed this anyway!

Interesting that those at the top of the list mostly don't wear suits, but all those at the bottom do.



Um...maybe. Not sure if Dr Shipman or Dr Paterson wore suits ?

Now how did we get from an old lady being mucked about to suits ?
By Blackswanwood
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Roger, it isn’t unusual for the sellers solicitor to have not received deposit funds prior to exchange. The buyers solicitor would (or should not) have exchanged without cleared funds to cover any required deposit being in their possession. The solicitors usually provide undertakings which are legally enforceable to avoid slowing things down. This link gives a pretty good explanation of how it all works

https://www.theadvisory.co.uk/conveyanc ... ompletion/

Personally I would not rely on an estate agent confirming funding is available. It is just too easy for an unscrupulous buyer to pull the wool over their eyes.

It’s a shame that this post has gravitated to a massive generalisation implying that various professions and people wearing suits are of dubious character. I generally enjoy this forum as a keen hobbyist woodworker who wears a suit and has not ripped anyone off in approaching 40 years of being a member of a profession.
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By Trainee neophyte
#1334830
A few thoughts for those who seem troubled by my sweeping statement.

Firstly, I spent the first six or seven years of my career wearing some very expensive, very sharp suits. I gave up both the suits and the career when its morally reprehensible nature became apparent. That's just me. You get to make your own evaluation of your own circumstances.

Secondly, ask yourself what, exactly a suit is. From the ever-reliable Wikipedia:
The current styles, founded in the industrial revolution during the late 18th century, sharply changed the elaborately embroidered and jewelled formal clothing into the simpler clothing of the British Regency period, which gradually evolved to the stark formality of the Victorian era. In the late 19th century, it was in the search for more comfort that the loosening of rules gave rise to the modern lounge suit.


So a suit is hankering back to British Regency, Empire national dress, which always amuses me when I see national world leaders sporting their British Empire-apeing apparel. All those associations of fair play, decency, honesty and stiff-upper-lip Britishness is wrapped up in the class warfare of the humble business suit. The toner cartridge salesman and the old Etonian are inextricably linked by it.

Now all of this nonsense I am positing is just a hypothesis - I am comfortable with it as a sweeping generalisation, but feel free to test my hypothesis, to destriction if need be. I am not wedded to it as a concept, and I am happy to be shown examples of real-world exceptions - there must be some out there, surely.

Finally, and at a tangent, I came across this website last night: https://swprs.org/media-navigator/

It is a Swiss (and therefore independent?) organisation, and rates media/news outlets based on their political bias, but also their connection to power. Interesting stuff. See how "independent" the people you get your "truth" from really are, and more fun, have a look at some of the actually independent news outlets, some of which you may never have heard from. There will be some mad conspiracy theory ideas in there too, but that is half the fun.

All of the above boils down to: "What are they really trying to say to me?" , and "What am I really trying to say to them?"

To quote Brian, "You have to work it out for yourselves. You are all individuals."
By Irish Rover
#1334887
"If someone is wearing a suit, he is lying to you."

I spoke to a man in a suit the other day and asked him the time. 3.20pm was his reply.
Checking that on my own timekeeping device I found him to be telling the truth.

There you go, didn't take long to show you a real world exception that disproves your idiotic statement did it?
(homer)
By lurker
#1334898
Irish Rover wrote:"If someone is wearing a suit, he is lying to you."

I spoke to a man in a suit the other day and asked him the time. 3.20pm was his reply.
Checking that on my own timekeeping device I found him to be telling the truth.

There you go, didn't take long to show you a real world exception that disproves your idiotic statement did it?
(homer)


I am trying to get my head around why you accosted a besuited stranger to ascertain the time when you already possessed means to do so about your person.
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By Lons
#1334900
I wore a suit for the majority of my working life, I had a choice, wear one or choose a different profession. I was in sales then management and can honestly say I never ripped anyone off just as I didn't after starting my own business and ditching the suits.

There are times when imo it's still necessary to show respect and wear a suit such as this week when attending the funeral of my 45 year old niece, was I hypocritical or a liar during that time? Of course not!
There's nothing wrong with suits only with some of the people who wear them and those individuals will have the same character whatever they wear.. They can be viewed as a type of uniform little different than those worn by nurses and policemen so I find those kind of sweeping statements pathetic and a joke.

Brings back memories of when I was doing a C&G 7307 initial teaching qualification. One of the lecturers was a psychiatrist and as I had just finished a teaching session I was still wearing a tie which was a stipulation of the college even though I was freelance and part time.
She was dressed as many people would draw a cartoon character shrink if asked, wide billowing flowery dress, leather sandals, wild unruly curly hair, a large lady with no make up. She forcefully suggested that I had no need to wear a tie and should refuse and defy the rules, went further saying that applied to anyone in any type of work and everyone should be like her and wear the same for work as she did hanging around the house.
It developed into an heated argument where I told her if she came to me for an interview looking as she did she wouldn't get past the door. Would I trust her? What do you think? :roll:

I passed that section of the 7307 with flying colours which was a bit of a surprise.
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By SBJ
#1334920
RogerS wrote:
SBJ wrote:So many hard done by people with chips on their shoulders. There are as many conmen and fraudsters who don't wear suits as wear them.

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Yup. Vegans get such a bum deal.
Ive no idea what you're talking about[GRINNING FACE WITH SMILING EYES][GRINNING FACE WITH SMILING EYES][GRINNING FACE WITH SMILING EYES]

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By Steliz
#1334940
powertools wrote:
Steliz wrote:
Trainee neophyte wrote:
If someone is wearing a suit, he is lying to you.

My apologies to anyone reading this who wears a suit habitually.


Do you generalise much?

If you have time to write an apology after an insult then just delete the insult instead.


I would assume that the fact that you seem upset by what TN said you wear a suit and are a professional of some sort.
I also assume that you intended to say ( If you dont have time to write an apology after an insult then just delete the insult instead) the fact that you didnt kind of proves the his point.


You make a lot of assumptions.
By Student
#1334945
Re the above comment that "I spoke to a man in a suit the other day and asked him the time. 3.20pm was his reply”, the name of the man in the suit wasn’t Eccles by any chance?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tjHlFPTwVk

Sorry, off topic.
By Irish Rover
#1334973
Student wrote:Re the above comment that "I spoke to a man in a suit the other day and asked him the time. 3.20pm was his reply”, the name of the man in the suit wasn’t Eccles by any chance?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tjHlFPTwVk

Sorry, off topic.


Haha, I didn't ask his name, I was preoccupied with the time.