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By Helvetica
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Thought I’d add some photos of the carcasses for context. I didn’t mention that it was built, and I’m making the partitions now (one glueing up in the photo). And a sketchup view of the finished design.

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By Sgian Dubh
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MikeG. wrote:Yep, that's what I meant. I knew what I meant, but communicated it in a way which meant I was the only one who had a clue what I was saying.... Apologies.

I wouldn't suggest rebating both sides of the panel. Just have the panel back finish flush with the back of the frame grooves. So actually not quite a tongue. A bare faced tongue, if you like.

That would make sense from a technical point of view, Mike to allow for a panel that's the same thickness as the distance between the front face of the frame to the back edge of the groove on the inside narrow edge of the frame.

On the other hand, Helvetica produced drawings that show the panel is the same thickness as the framing, so to accommodate that I naturally thought of a centralised tongue on the edge of the panel. I made the assumption that, for whatever reason, Helvetica wanted or needed a door that's the same thickness all across its width and height.

After all is said and done though, I'd still explore the veneered panel within a frame method because I'd be working on the KISS principle, ha, ha. Slainte.
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By MikeG.
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Sgian Dubh wrote:........ I'd still explore the veneered panel within a frame method......


Absolutely. Anything else would be a pain in the neck.
By Sgian Dubh
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Helvetica wrote:Thought I’d add some photos of the carcasses for context. I didn’t mention that it was built, and I’m making the partitions now (one glueing up in the photo). And a sketchup view of the finished design.

I rather like that. I'm not 100 percent convinced yet with the feet, as they link the carcase to the floor - it might work when I see the finished piece. I do like the cabinet carcase and the mix of doors and drawers along with the nicely mismatched protruding horizontals and verticals. Given that visually strong motif, I'd rather not add additional vertical and horizontal lines that your panelled doors will create. I'm even more convinced that a plainer (i.e., joint free) veneered door approach would look better, being cleaner lined and less distracting from the protruding handle elements, if you see what I mean. Slainte.
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By Helvetica
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Sgian Dubh wrote:I rather like that. I'm not 100 percent convinced yet with the feet, as they link the carcase to the floor - it might work when I see the finished piece. I do like the cabinet carcase and the mix of doors and drawers along with the nicely mismatched protruding horizontals and verticals. Given that visually strong motif, I'd rather not add additional vertical and horizontal lines that your panelled doors will create. I'm even more convinced that a plainer (i.e., joint free) veneered door approach would look better, being cleaner lined and less distracting from the protruding handle elements, if you see what I mean. Slainte.


Thank you. I got the idea for the feet from a george nakashima piece - it’s definitely a Japanese solution. I liked the idea that it supported the 3 metre length at 3 points. There are also two rails that go full length and are held in place by the three feet. I thought 4 traditional legs might be weak and look weak. We’ll see!

I’m tempted to give it a shot purely for the challenge, but I will definitely give strong consideration to a veneer. To be honest I feel like it’s the more difficult solution, although maybe more reliable. I have a Startrite bandsaw but the original fence is only 50mm high - I might need some modification to cut a veneer 400x570mm. This would be a first attempt.

Anyway thanks so much (everyone) for taking the time to understand the idea and giving me advise. This is just a hobby and while I love design I lack the experience to know how to build things in a way that will last.

Slán leat a chara


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By Sgian Dubh
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Helvetica wrote: I’m tempted to give it a shot purely for the challenge, but I will definitely give strong consideration to a veneer. To be honest I feel like it’s the more difficult solution, although maybe more reliable. I have a Startrite bandsaw but the original fence is only 50mm high - I might need some modification to cut a veneer 400x570mm. This would be a first attempt.

I can't think of a good reason to make your own veneer when perfectly good commercial veneer (0.6 mm thick) can be purchased from veneer merchants, with the added bonus that you can buy enough to execute things like random, slip and book matches if desired. You seem to have a mix of doors and drawers where you can arrange some grain vertically and some horizontally if you prefer, or all of it diagonally ... or whatever suits you really, ha, ha. Slainte.
By Adam9453
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Just to add another layer of complication to the mix, you could do a rail and stile veneer layon which would look like your original joinery design but in veneer with concealed lippings. Alternatively orientate the veneer in an unusual way to give more visual interest to the doors, a sunburst pattern is visually striking but can be difficult to achieve. Worth having a chat with a veneer supplier such as reliance veneers as they can produce layons for you which you then just need to press onto your panels, alternatively you could get a veneered panels specialist to produce the doors for you however this kind of defeats the object of making this as your hobby. I like the design though and look forward to seeing it completed.