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By rafezetter
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MikeG. wrote:
rafezetter wrote:...... if you build E with turned legs I'm coming round and setting fire to it, just saying - I'll remove it from the house of course and possibly dance around it naked while it burns, but that depends largely on the weather.........


:lol: :lol:

E doesn't have turned legs. They're 4 bandsaw- cut faces.


Shame, it would have given me a chance to learn what "oak smoked" marshmallows tasted like...

Well done spotting the taper for H & J, Manglitter - I was scratching my head again - and I think the tapered version would add just that touch of elegance that it was indeed made by a superb craftsman (and give those in the know that nice warm smugness feeling).

With luck I might have finished wading through Mike's house WIP in time to read the table WIP :)
By rafezetter
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I've just remembered something about that second design from Andy's post (it won't show up as a quote) and it has an inherant weakness - as I learned when I was asked to go back and do a repair F.O.C. for a couple who had bought a table shaped like that from a reclamation place I was involved with.

The top is prone to see-saw along the mid line as the wedges used in the construction dry out and shrink - load it up both sides with 5 people, food, leaning elbows and whatnot and you're just going to accelerate that no end.

Now - the table I had to fix was pretty old, but I assume Mikes house is well insulated compared to a cooler draftier house pre 1980's.
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By MikeG.
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rafezetter wrote:......With luck I might have finished wading through Mike's house WIP in time to read the table WIP :)


:shock: Wow, that's some effort. Good luck! I think a Dutchman holds the record: it took him 8 days to read the lot, if I remember correctly.
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By AndyT
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Well, I'd just like to pipe up again and say what an interesting thread this is.
Mike gives us some interesting food for thought (and a spot the difference puzzle!) and the conversation immediately livens up.
We can all say what we really think, secure in the knowledge that
a) Mike is thick skinned enough to take all our comments in the right spirit
b) Although he'll read what we offer, he'll still produce something better than any of the suggestions, and
c) He'll show us in detail how he does it.

Sometimes the forum goes a bit quiet. This reminds me why I am still here!
Nice one Mike =D> =D>
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By MikeG.
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rafezetter wrote:I've just remembered something about that second design from Andy's post (it won't show up as a quote) and it has an inherant weakness -......The top is prone to see-saw along the mid line as the wedges used in the construction dry out and shrink......


Yes, I worried about this a little. Some of my earlier designs had a brace or 2 running longitudinally, but with 2 legs at each end I can't see a neat way of doing that any more. I'll just make the shoulders on the two rails and the stretcher very large, and make sure that the wedges are tapped home every so often. Designs H&J would have a foot over 160mm wide, which will help a little too.
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By MikeG.
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AndyT wrote:Well, I'd just like to pipe up again and say what an interesting thread this is.
Mike gives us some interesting food for thought (and a spot the difference puzzle!) and the conversation immediately livens up.
We can all say what we really think, secure in the knowledge that
a) Mike is thick skinned enough to take all our comments in the right spirit
b) Although he'll read what we offer, he'll still produce something better than any of the suggestions, and
c) He'll show us in detail how he does it.

Sometimes the forum goes a bit quiet. This reminds me why I am still here!
Nice one Mike =D> =D>


Very kind of you Andy.

I'm not all that thick skinned, actually, but I absolutely do not take comments on design personally. Design is what I do all day every day (well, you know.....), and that means I get it wrong a lot. Not wrong, really, so much as understanding that people have very different tastes and perspectives, and we can't always get to the bottom of that immediately. I also know better than most that designs that can look pretty dull on paper can come to life in reality, and that details are really important. So all design comments are 100% welcome (I did after all start the thread asking for design suggestions), even if people were to say..."nah, make it out of glass and stainless steel". Another thing to remember is that the chairs are going to be what people see. It will be really difficult to see anything of the table other than its top because of the forest of chairlegs, seats and backs, and therefore the overall impression of the suite is going to be carving, upholstery, and wood colour, and the table legs are only really going to be noticed by me and fellow woodworkers.

This is a project with a long gestation period. The other half of the design team (!) here has dragged a promise out of me that I'll finish the utility, kitchen and lounge before I do any work on the dining furniture. This thread will go quiet, but I'll digest the comments over a period, continue to tweak things and explore alternatives, and maybe even mock a couple of different table ends up in pine. Just to give an idea of how much fiddling about with the design I have done already, here is a screenshot:

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One thing you can be certain of is that there will be a detailed WIP.
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By Sawdust=manglitter
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MikeG. wrote:Design is what I do all day every day (well, you know.....), and that means I get it wrong a lot.


Most of the architects I deal with daily would never admit that they got something wrong, and some often disregard practicality or structural implications with no consideration given to logic or cost, as if they dont care how things get built on site... as long as the completed project looks how they envisioned... which can make my job all the more challenging!

Probably makes you pretty unique among architects, having practical skills and experience :D


edit: Forgive the rant, I've had one individual winding me up a treat over the last couple of days!