Veritas Jack Rebate Plane or Veritas Skew Rabbet plane???

[shim20]

hi all, got some xmas and birthday money and thinking of buying one of the above, what are peoples general thoughts on these planes for doing raised panels and rebates ?
the jack rebate is very expensive but its it worth it dose look like a nicely thought out plane, but could i do the same jobs with the skew one just as easy will get used occasionally when i have to do rasied panels and draw fronts etc
cheers
Ben

 

[bobbybirds]

Unless you are working on large pieces doing huge rabbets, I would stay with the smaller SR plane. I use mine frequently and love it. I have tried the larger JR plane and while it is nicely built for sure, I personally found it too large for anything I am going to use it for...

 

[Richard T]

I would go for the skewed rabbet too ... I have lusted after that plane ever since I first saw it. It would be something to save for if I hadn't found a moving fillister in perfect order last year. It does the same job and very well.
But if you have some spare dosh that is ear marked for it ... wayheyhey !!!

 

[Jacob]

Don't kid yourself - you don't need either of these expensive novelty planes for raised/fielded panels etc. Don't suppose that'll put you off! :lol:

 

[iNewbie]

Don't kid yourself - you don't need either of these expensive novelty planes for raised/fielded panels etc. Don't suppose that'll put you off! :lol:

We don't need to keep hearing your opinion on what people "need", but you can't help giving out the same old tiresome lines. Don't suppose that will put you off. :lol:

 

[MMUK]

Don't kid yourself - you don't need either of these expensive novelty planes for raised/fielded panels etc. Don't suppose that'll put you off! :lol:

We don't need to keep hearing your opinion on what people "need", but you can't help giving out the same old tiresome lines. Don't suppose that will put you off. :lol:

We don't need a Jacob on the forum full stop, but I don't suppose that will put him off either :wink: :lol:

 

[bobbybirds]

Don't kid yourself - you don't need either of these expensive novelty planes for raised/fielded panels etc. Don't suppose that'll put you off! :lol:

We don't need to keep hearing your opinion on what people "need", but you can't help giving out the same old tiresome lines. Don't suppose that will put you off. :lol:

To be fair, Jacob is correct... Neither of these tools is a necessity to do the jobs the OP is saying he is going to be doing, BUT, he asked a specific question, so my response to his specific question is as said. Between the two planes, I think the Skewed Rabbet would be the more useful option.

Now if he asks for ways to do the required jobs using tools he may already have, or if he is asking what tools he could get to do these jobs on less of a budget, then that opens up the required responses tremendously...

 

[Cheshirechappie]

Don't kid yourself - you don't need either of these expensive novelty planes for raised/fielded panels etc. Don't suppose that'll put you off! :lol:

I have a mental vision of a time about 150 years ago. The young and eager apprentice is clutching the latest edition of a popular trade gazette, which has a advertisement for the new-fangled Stanley iron-bodied bench planes. Looking down at the eager youngster is a wizened old craftsman, bent with years, wrinkled and bewhiskered of visage, his moleskin trousers patched heavily on one knee. "You don't need those expensive novelty planes, young feller-me-lad. The good old English beech planes have served me well, and my father, and his father before him. These new-fangled iron monstrosities are just for the tool tarts. They'll never catch on, you mark my words!"

(P.S. to the O.P. - Buy both and do a comparative trial of their capabilities - I own neither type of plane in either Veritas or other marque, and I'd be fascinated to know!

More seriously, I'd agree with RichardT that a vintage moving fillister is a lovely tool to use, though a bit of a faff to set up. The smaller skew rebate is probably the nearer modern match for one.)

 

[iNewbie]

Don't kid yourself - you don't need either of these expensive novelty planes for raised/fielded panels etc. Don't suppose that'll put you off! :lol:

We don't need to keep hearing your opinion on what people "need", but you can't help giving out the same old tiresome lines. Don't suppose that will put you off. :lol:

We don't need a Jacob on the forum full stop, but I don't suppose that will put him off either :wink: :lol:

The staying isn't the issue. Its what he keeps saying. Pieces of eight Pieces of eight.

 

[marcros]

I have a feeling that Derek Cohen did either a comparison of the two or a separate review of each in his website.

http://www.inthewoodshop.com/ToolReview ... Plane.html

I was half right- I couldn't find a review of the skew rabbet plane.

 

[Kalimna]

"Bewhiskered of visage" I love that line. I shall have to file it away for use elsewhere

With regard to the OP question, I do not have the rabbet jack plane, but from what I have read in various fora it would be rather useful if you do not have a jack already, as it is perhaps more easily versatile, but something of an overkill (both size and price) if you are wanting the rabbet function and already have a couple of bench planes.

Adam

 

[custard]

We don't need to keep hearing your opinion on what people "need", but you can't help giving out the same old tiresome lines. Don't suppose that will put you off. :lol:

We don't need a Jacob on the forum full stop, but I don't suppose that will put him off either :wink: :lol:

The staying isn't the issue. Its what he keeps saying. Pieces of eight Pieces of eight.

If someone wants to play with fascinating new tools, or display beautiful old tools on a shelf, then I'm okay with that. It's their money, their time...and their shelves!

But it's sad when I meet young or less well off woodworkers who believe lack of expensive equipment is somehow holding them back. And Jacob does a good job of reminding us that just isn't true. The only thing holding any of us back is lack of training, practise, and ingenuity.

I'm lucky enough to have spent time amongst some of the most talented furniture makers in the country, craftsmen responsible for many guild mark winning pieces. I can't think of many who have particularly impressive tool kits. They mainly assembled their tools as apprentices when money was very tight (actually for a professional cabinet maker money is always tight!) so they have work-a-day kit that they've figured out how to make perform to their satisfaction. And having figured it out they don't subsequently feel the need to change any of it.

As I said, people are free to spend their time and money any way they want, and if owning a Veritas this or a Norris that gives you pleasure then you don't have to explain yourself to anyone. But never confuse tools with skill, and never ever promote the myth that expensive tools are in any way necessary to make fine furniture. And if furniture making skill is what you really want then you're almost always better off spending your money on wood and training than on EBay or Axminster.

 

[JimF.]

Don't kid yourself - you don't need either of these expensive novelty planes for raised/fielded panels etc. Don't suppose that'll put you off! :lol:

We don't need to keep hearing your opinion on what people "need", but you can't help giving out the same old tiresome lines. Don't suppose that will put you off. :lol:

We don't need a Jacob on the forum full stop, but I don't suppose that will put him off either :wink: :lol:

We do need someone like him.

Someone who is prepared to go up against the accepted party line and question everything. And in the process blow a few of the cobwebs away.

In this case the OP may well *want* a new plane, but it does no harm to point out that for what he wishes to accomplish, he does not need one and that he should not let the lack of such an item be a barrier to getting on and doing it.

To the OP I would say pick one or the other. My preference would be the skew - that's because I don't yet have one and I like the look of it.

To Jacob: keep going. Reading your posts is what kept me on the forum and gave me courage to start woodwork again with what I had, rather than waiting for that mythical day down the line, holding back until I'd got the perfect tool set.

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[shim20]

Thanks for the input. I have a filister plane yes they do the job just fine once you get the hang of it. I normally do the raised panels on the bench saw but they need quite a bit of cleaning up after so was just looking around to see if something could do a better job and came across the planes above. My filister is my great granddad's so I love to use it when I can but I think the modern type would be easier to set up/quicker?.
All my tools get used as they should I'm a fulltime joiner/ cabinet maker my LN no5 has glue on Handel and few marks here and there but these tools have been made to used.
Cheers
Ben

 

[Derek Cohen (Perth Oz)]

Hi Marcos

I reviewed only the Jack Rabbet (should be Rebate) Plane. There were so many others commenting on or reviewing the Skew Rabbet (should be Rebate) Plane that I did not bother (I only review planes that I think others want to hear about).

There is a demo of the Rabbet (should be Rebate) plane completing a rebate (see - that is how it is spelt) and a raised panel here: http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Furniture/ ... panel.html

In a nutshell, the difference between the the two planes in use are that the Skew Rebate plane is for fast removal of waste - it has a short sole and a wider mouth. It will get into curvy stock better since it will better follow the dips. The Jack Rebate is a longer plane, bette for smoothing, better for raising panels and being used across the grain.

Regards from Perth

Derek

 

[iNewbie]

If someone wants to play with fascinating new tools, or display beautiful old tools on a shelf, then I'm okay with that. It's their money, their time...and their shelves!

But it's sad when I meet young or less well off woodworkers who believe lack of expensive equipment is somehow holding them back. And Jacob does a good job of reminding us that just isn't true. The only thing holding any of us back is lack of training, practise, and ingenuity.

Ad nauseam style...

If anyone thinks a lack of expensive equipment is holding them back then they have a problem already, and its not a monetary one...

TBH - I've never known a school to kit itself out with all the fanciest tools in town and its never held any school kids back, either. You use what was there. I'm thinking you and jacob must be in some alternative universe of woodworkers...

As I said, people are free to spend their time and money any way they want, and if owning a Veritas this or a Norris that gives you pleasure then you don't have to explain yourself to anyone. But never confuse tools with skill, and never ever promote the myth that expensive tools are in any way necessary to make fine furniture. And if furniture making skill is what you really want then you're almost always better off spending your money on wood and training than on EBay or Axminster.

Yes. Yes they are and without the continual preaching of what they should and shouldn't buy ffs.

Please feel free to point to where anyone mentioned a confusion between tools and skill or promoting expensive tools as being needed to make fine furniture. Its not here! /it might be in your alternative universe, mind...

 

[Jacob]

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Please feel free to point to where anyone mentioned a confusion between tools and skill or promoting expensive tools as being needed to make fine furniture. Its not here! /it might be in your alternative universe, mind...

It happens all the time. A beginner comes on to ask what he should buy to do whatever it is and low and behold a tool seller (or a tool enthusiast who doesn't necessarily do a lot of woodwork) comes on with lots of "helpful" advice. I find it irritating and will carry on banging my drum! There is a lot of misinformation about.
Usually better to spend it on wood instead.

 

[Dodge]

But Jacob, when someone with a vast practical knowledge of tools learnt from many years in the trade comes along and comments you dismiss their opinions also - same old Jacobs way or no way!!! It gets so boring and tiresome.

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[Trafalgar]

hi all, got some xmas and birthday money and thinking of buying one of the above, what are peoples general thoughts on these planes for doing raised panels and rebates ?
the jack rebate is very expensive but its it worth it dose look like a nicely thought out plane, but could i do the same jobs with the skew one just as easy will get used occasionally when i have to do rasied panels and draw fronts etc
cheers
Ben

If you want to raise panels then get a panel-raising plane. If you want to make rabbets for furniture get the skew rabbet.

You can do relatively simple raised panels with a regular plane by letting some of the sole hang off in mid-air and run the other side against a batten. A jack rabbet makes this slightly easier but it is by no means a necessity. If you use a plain jack then use a plow to run grooves to define the raised area and then the jack to remove material up the grooves. Mark the bevel from the BACK SIDE of the panel!

 

[Jacob]

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If you want to raise panels then get a panel-raising plane. If you want to make rabbets for furniture get the skew rabbet.

By all means. But don't let it hold you back if you can't afford them - it's very easy to do raised and fielded panels with a normal jack plane and a rebate plane. They don't have to be simple, though un-moulded obviously. I've done it often with a 5 and a 78. I actually think it's interesting and worth knowing that so many things can be done with some very basic tools - so much so that many specialist tools are hardly worth the bother, they just have novelty value.
I don't see why I should have to justify this point of view, and I will keep banging on in the same vein, 'til the cows come home!