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TrimTheKing
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:04 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

wizer wrote:
The 2nd one gets my vote.
The one with 2 smaller panels above one tall one?
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:10 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Chems wrote:
Yep that secret door, why how many do you plan?!?

Doing it that way won't take you long at all. Could even end up quicker than painting!
I've not explained it very well obviously Wink

Part 1 - What I plan to do is, panel the study side of the door so you can't tell there is a door there when you are in the study. Not worked out the logistics/mechanics of opening yet, but thinking on maybe just a push to open fitting so it's easy to open providing you know how...

Part 2 - On the opposite side of that same door will be a hidden bookcase door on the lounge side so when you are in the study there is no visible door, and when you are in the lounge there is only a bookcase (with hidden door in it).

In reality it will be too thick to have it as a single door so I plan to just clad the existing door from the study side so that it opens into the room, the the bookcase door will open into the lounge by means of some kind of book movement related trickery, which I also haven't designed as yet Wink.

I think that makes sense now. I'm confuddling meself now Very Happy
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:20 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I see now, so its hidden on both sides. Now at risk of runing a good forum repuatation, thats one of the coolest ideas I've ever read on here! Can't wait to see it.

Regarding the door mechanism, I think the easiest way would be to have a ball catch, so when in the study you push the door to open out into the other room and when in the other toom you grasp the "special" book and pull to open. Minimum fuss to keep it simples tsk.
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:33 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay boys and girls, please don't be bored yet, I know this is become a mammoth task but you really are helping me Wink

I think I am getting a bit closer now but want to hear what you think. I think the wider panel spacing makes more sense and looks better but if you disagree shout up and tell me why. I have been working on this for nearly 3 weeks now (most of that time spent getting to grips with the quickest ways to work SketchUp) so I am a bit blinded by all the tree and can't identify the wood...

Two new pics with wider panels on the two main walls...For scale, the 8 panels you can see to the left of the door in pic 1 are 420mm wide.



This window wall is still puzzling me though. Here are three versions, one with the wider panel spacings to the right of the window, one with only two panels under the window and the other with the previous snaller spacings all the way across. I'm not sure which I prefer but I'm pretty sure it's not the mixed widths one. I think it has to be either 2 panels under windows or all slimmer panels. I think I'm leaning towards two wider panels under window but not sure why...




Thanks for reading this far, hope you're not bored yet. Very Happy
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:44 am Post subject: Reply with quote

On the window wall, I much prefer the one with only two panels under the window.

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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:27 am Post subject: Reply with quote

I prefer the 3 panels. Are you planning to run all the stiles through the rails as your drawing shows? I would almost certainly have a continous top and bottom rail with the stiles between. It would be interesting to see it on a drawing.
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:35 am Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking good Mark.

I prefer the 3 panels under the window, and would agree with Matty about having the continuous rails top and bottom.

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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:29 am Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with Matt on having a continuous top & bottom rail.

The other thing I would say is to be very careful with your secret door plan. Draw it out in full size in plan, first, and "open" it in the drawing. If you make something with the depth of bookshelves, trying to pivot it from one point is quite difficult without it fouling, and allowing for the fouling will leave really big gaps.

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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:12 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Great link for secret bookcase

http://www.garymkatz.com/TrimTechniques/hidden_pivot_bookcase_install.htm
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:16 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

John McM wrote:
Great link for secret bookcase

http://www.garymkatz.com/TrimTechniques/hidden_pivot_bookcase_install.htm
Cheers John. I had this stored in my favourites ages ago but lost it when my pooter went pop and couldn't find it again, you're now my new hero. Very Happy
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:40 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

2 panels under window with wider ones to the right, which I think I am happy with, and showing rails running through with stiles between and inner rails staccato.

Thoughts?





Mike Garnham wrote:
The other thing I would say is to be very careful with your secret door plan. Draw it out in full size in plan, first, and "open" it in the drawing. If you make something with the depth of bookshelves, trying to pivot it from one point is quite difficult without it fouling, and allowing for the fouling will leave really big gaps.
I agree Mike, I still didn't explain it very well in my post. I think I am goin to have to go with two doors, one being the panelled door which will open into the study, the second being the bookcase door which will open into the lounge.

Still not worked this out as yet, trying to get the look of the panelling right first.

I need some ideas for look/construction of the 'feature' atop the panelling should I decide to put something on there. Can't decide between a shelf or some kind of cove. Any thoughts or suggestions welcomed.

Right, I have man flu and feel terrible, I'm off to bed, good night all.
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