Yes its a vice but who made it

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Hi folks
I was given this a few days ago - totally seized but leaving soaked with oil for a few days all is now good.
Its obviously of some age is about 20cm front to back with 6cm jaws its a clamp to the workbench type vice that can pivot/rotate has anyone seen one the same or perhaps be able to let me know who made it and a clue as to how old it is.
thanks :)
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Yep, got the same one, lovely bit of kit but the maker eludes me at the moment if there is one on it at all.
Similar things are often named P.S.STUBBS.
Looks like your tread cover locating screw has gone for a Burton.
Cheers
Andy
 
I see quite a lot of these, normally bent or damage by users taking
them beyond their limits.

I'd always assumed they were a general item of trade, from Birmingham, London, Sheffield, Glasgow etc.

EDIT; apols, I hadn't read carefully enough to note that the vise can pivot on its mount;
I have NOT seen that before.

BugBear
 
Thanks Andy
Yes the screw has broken flush with the jaw, I'm debating whether to take it apart drill and put a small self tapper as I don't think I have a small enough tap to make a small enough thread. If is did take it apart perhaps a blind head rivet or top of a nail and araldite might be best. Is there a cup type washer on yours where the clamp screw would bite on the underside of the bench or worktop? Is this early 1900?
cheers
 
Joining together some hints already given...

I think BugBear is right, it's a generic, brand-free, standard item - though a rare one, with the swivel.
My guess is that the source is Lancashire, though the Black Country or Birmingham are also plausible, but Andy's observation of seeing these marked Stubs helps.
Peter Stubs (1766 - 1806) was outstandingly successful in the Lancashire tool trade. His most famous products were files (where the name survives as a brand) but his company also sold a wide range of other tools, many of which were for the clock and watchmaking trade.

I don't know of much written about the Lancashire trade, except for one rather dry historical work "Peter Stubs and The Lancashire Hand Tool Industry" by E Surrey Dane. This book seems to derive mainly from the Stubs companies accounts, so is a bit skimpy on manufacturing matters, but it does explain how the trade was organised. Although Stubs had a factory where files were made, a large proportion of the lines he sold (marked with his name) were actually made by a network of outworkers, working in their own small-scale premises. A list of these includes a number who specialised in making vices, based in Rainhill, St Helens, and Warrington.

I don't know of an available pattern book showing Lancashire-made vices. The Dane book reproduces a few pages from a Stubs catalogue, confirming that the range included quite complex mechanisms for watchmaking, more exact and elaborate than the swivelling vice.

There are two modern reproductions of a Timmins (Birmingham) pattern book from the early nineteenth century, which show similar items, including one here marked as "Best Lancashire". (I mean similar in terms of construction and materials, not features.)

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When I look at these, yours, BugBear's, or a similar one of my own, and try to analyse how many separate operations there would have been at the anvil and the forge, I can't help admiring the skill and doggedness of the people who made them, on piece-work, for very little money.
 

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